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Quote: wigan_knight "Why not just replace a full back with a full back and bring Vievers into the side and leave Roberts were he is .'"


Because he isn't good enough and won't ever be.

A national league player in all likelihood, might scrape a place in a low-placed SL side.

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Quote: wigan_knight "Why not just replace a full back with a full back and bring Vievers into the side and leave Roberts were he is .'"


It's an option thats for sure and would cause the lease disruption to the partnerships players are building up.

I'm looking forward to watching whoever gets the shot.

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Quote: wigan_knight "Why not just replace a full back with a full back and bring Vievers into the side and leave Roberts were he is .'"


Its a massive game next week and not the time to blood a rookie at full back. Its got to be Amos or Richards.

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Thought he was great. Played great. scored 2 great tries. Earned himself a signature.

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tbh id rather keep it like the second half and have joel going centre with gleeson on the wing than put pryce in. Despite laughing at first joel went pretty well at centre last night, far better than pryce has done.

Id say either go as we were or go with PR to FB and lets give ainscough a run. If roberts can transform into such a player under mcguire, ainscough should be world class this year as the only failing he's ever had was under the high ball which he must have worked on under the new regime.

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Quote: andyed-wiganrl "tbh id rather keep it like the second half and have joel going centre with gleeson on the wing than put pryce in. Despite laughing at first joel went pretty well at centre last night, far better than pryce has done.

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I've actually said before I wouldn't mind seeing Joel Tomkins get a regular run at centre if we had an injury there. He's got the pace, the hands and he'd be huge in comparison to most of his opposite numbers.

He's obviously going to be a second row/loose forward in the main but it's always nice to have options.

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Quote: andyed-wiganrl "tbh id rather keep it like the second half and have joel going centre with gleeson on the wing than put pryce in. Despite laughing at first joel went pretty well at centre last night, far better than pryce has done.

Id say either go as we were or go with PR to FB and lets give ainscough a run. If roberts can transform into such a player under mcguire, ainscough should be world class this year as the only failing he's ever had was under the high ball which he must have worked on under the new regime.'"


Would be a good idea if Joel was on same centre as Kings wing. His strength would be vital./

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He is a different player to the one we saw last year that is for sure. Last year he would not take the man on down the wing and didn't look half as interested as he does this year. I'd love to see how many touches of the ball he makes this year compared to last year. It just goes to show we were right to question the reasons for his failings, because the quality has always been there, but for some reason or another we just didn't see it! I'm with DaveO on this one and think the answer is definitely in the coaching. What else can it be?

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During all the flak he took last year I always remembered a little piece of play he'd come up with against Cas in his 2nd or 3rd game for us that gave me hope he could be an exceptional player for us.

He was playing at fullback against Cas and shimed into the line. He put on some of the best footwork i've ever seen to get on the outside of his man and put Pryce over in the corner. It was my favourite try of last year and it showed he's got huge talent.

His attitude and fitness are now matching that talent.

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never mind him being fit enough, he aint good enough! to come back into the pecking order Vs Wire would be a big gamble, tbh i dont think his hart is in it.

saying that i would love to be proved wrong and have him come back and run all over them icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Phuzzy "Dave, the point is you refuse to subscribe to this viewpoint despite there being numerous examples of this being the case. For some reason you expect all players to be the same and point to players who didn't need time to settle in as a reason why no-one should. That's just plain ridiculous.

King, Roberts, Richards, Smith, Lam (I could go on of course) are all examples of players who were much better in their second season than their first. Roberts, himself, gave a good interview as to why he didn't perform as well as he should have last year and the upheaval of coming half way round the world and not properly settling until his family arrived featured very strongly.'"


And there far more examples of players who are up to speed form day one and that is the THE most pertinent fact in this debate because that is how it should be.

God knows where this notion came from that it was acceptable to wait a season for an experienced overseas player to settle in came from.

In any case you are being disingenuous bringing up names like Smith because he carried an injury for virtually the whole of his first season here so he had an excuse and Richards was played out of position by a poor coach and as soon as he went to the wing under Nobby he was a different player. A change of coach that did Richards good looks to me have done the same to Roberts.

As to Roberts his family arrived here long before the end of the season but he didn't gain an extra yard of pace when they did. It's as plain as day he looks a completely different player and IMO it's little to do with settling into living here but down to good conditioning in the off season, good tactics and a proper game plan now IMO. If that has nothing to do with it then clearly our new coach doesn't have a great deal of influence on the squad which is plainly not the case across all the players not just Roberts.

Joel Tomkins looks a much improved player as well. I suppose he's been homesick for Warrington or wherever he was born these past few seasons icon_rolleyes.gif

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Roberts was bedding in well from mid season onwards last year as far as i'm concerned.

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