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| Some people seem to have this view of a fullback that they can magically stop every single try against the side. He does a good enough job in defence and it's not even an issue for me.
We even used to let the odd one in when Rads was fullback.
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| Quote: Grimmy "Really good - negative turn of phrase? I'm on about when they got an overlap on our line, Phelps slid over and both he and Roberts took their centre, neither wrapped the ball up, Phelps got handed off completely and the centre got the ball away with the winger in space, luckily the pass was bad and went to touch. It was the whole team's fault for not sliding but I was looking for him to either come in and stop the offload or slide out and get to the winger, he did neither. As I said Phelps was really good in attack before he went off and if he was fit I'd have him in at full back again but I still worry about his defence that's all. He's not Mathers but he's not solid either.'"
Grimmy you're either showing ignorance or bias here....I'm not sure which. How on Earth do you make this into 'a cock-up'?
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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf]
[quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]: |
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| Sorry everyone, he's a quality attacker therefore everything he does is in defence is also class and he should be man of steel. Jeeez, why does everything have to be black or white on here? Is it not possible for a player to be a great attacker and a below average defender?
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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf]
[quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]: |
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Grimmy you're either showing ignorance or bias here....I'm not sure which. How on Earth do you make this into 'a cock-up'?'"
It was an error that 9 times out of 10 would have let a try in. He brings far more positives than negative but it doesn't mean the sun shines out his backside.
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| Quote: Grimmy "Sorry everyone, he's a quality attacker therefore everything he does is in defence is also class and he should be man of steel. Jeeez, why does everything have to be black or white on here? Is it not possible for a player to be a great attacker and a below average defender?'"
His defence is fine though.
He's not Rads in defensive terms but then who is? Phelps does the job and lets very few people past him imo and when added to his attack that turns him into an outstanding long term prospect at fullback.
The only problem I have with him at times is he looks a little loose under the high ball but he can work on that and we shouldn't forget he's pretty new to the position.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "His defence is fine though.
He's not Rads in defensive terms but then who is? Phelps does the job and lets very few people past him imo and when added to his attack that turns him into an outstanding long term prospect at fullback.
The only problem I have with him at times is he looks a little loose under the high ball but he can work on that and we shouldn't forget he's pretty new to the position.'"
No reason Phelps cant the the wigan full back for years to come IMO
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| Thought he was easily heading for a MOM award before he had to go off. Brilliant. Get well soon CP
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| Quote: wigan_knight "No reason Phelps cant the the wigan full back for years to come IMO'"
He's got every chance hasn't he. The quota won't help him but playing like he is he's worth his spot without question.
He's got to be our most creative player which is a worry if he's going to miss many games. He's got 4 assists in a game and a half which is some going.
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| Didn't Phelps get a big hit on Newton when he was clean through, when Fisher scored the try he looked like he couldn't bounce off his foot, otherwise it could have been close he might have shut the gap.
As for Wire on Saturday I would look @ Goulding or Pryce on the wing next to Carmont if we can't get Shaun back from Widnes. But I would love to have seen Josh get a shot but some of you on here think he is not yet match ready. How do we know if we don't give him a go???? (unless he is coming back from a injury)
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| Quote: Grimmy "It was an error that 9 times out of 10 would have let a try in. He brings far more positives than negative but it doesn't mean the sun shines out his backside.'"
But it wasn't even 'his' error. The whole team failed to slide and Amos came in to take the ball carrier when he was in a far better position than Phelps to cover the winger! This left Phelps trying to make the best of the situation. How you get this to be a 'cock up' from Phelps is frankly beyond me! I notice you also fail to mention the fact that he covered a 3 man break which was outstanding defence! In fact, when I saw the break I was actually gad it was Phelps facing them as I felt he, if anyone, would diffuse the situation. This thing you have about his supposed weak defence is a nonsense. He's a far more capable defender than, say, Brent Webb and brings as much to the attack. What exactly do you want from him?
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| Quote: Phuzzy "But it wasn't even 'his' error. The whole team failed to slide and Amos came in to take the ball carrier when he was in a far better position than Phelps to cover the winger! This left Phelps trying to make the best of the situation. How you get this to be a 'cock up' from Phelps is frankly beyond me! I notice you also fail to mention the fact that he covered a 3 man break which was outstanding defence! In fact, when I saw the break I was actually gad it was Phelps facing them as I felt he, if anyone, would diffuse the situation. This thing you have about his supposed weak defence is a nonsense. He's a far more capable defender than, say, Brent Webb and brings as much to the attack. What exactly do you want from him?'"
Spot on
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| Quote: jjb10 "Didn't Phelps get a big hit on Newton when he was clean through'"
He did. It was a good piece of defensive fullback play.
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| Phelps has the talent to be our best player this year. Hopefully its just a knock or a strain and he wont miss too much time. Maybe Ainscough might get a start with Amos or Pat moving to FB?
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| Quote: Grimmy "Sorry everyone, he's a quality attacker therefore everything he does is in defence is also class and he should be man of steel. Jeeez, why does everything have to be black or white on here? Is it not possible for a player to be a great attacker and a below average defender?'"
I have to agree somewhat. Phelps had an outstanding game last night and was on fire in the first half. His attacking attributes have always been there for all to see and has been one aspect of his game I have always praised. He adds a different dimension to our attack. I will be gutted if he is out for a long time.
But defensively there has always been a question mark over Phelps. You cannot just ignore any defensive frailties the lad might have because he is 'brave' or 'good in attack'. It's his all round game you have to judge him on and in the past his defence has been very questionable. I make no apologies for being cautious over Phelps after his performances in the pre-season games seemed to expose his weaknesses in defence on the last tackle play. However this does not seem to have affected him in the opening two games, albeit he has not had too much to do defensively, but what has been asked of him he has done. So I have no complaints with him so far. I thought we would have seen him tested a lot more last night, but our defensive as a team was outstanding and very brutal. Hull KR did not see much ball in our own half and even had he been out in the second half he would not have had much to do, which is good.
So overall I guess I'm saying I'm not getting carried away so far, because Phelps hasn't had much asked of him in defence & I thought (as did he) that Hull KR would test him a lot more with the great dexterity of Cooke and Dobson in the kicking department, but our defence just didn't give them the room. Nevertheless what has been asked of him he has done and in attack he has been outstanding. At the moment, he is one of our best players, but in my defence, attack has never been an area I have had reservations over Phelps. Let's hope he isn't injured for too long as he is a fundamental part of our attacking play.
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| Phelps is no worse in defence than Webb or Greenshields.
He looked superb and would of been MOM IMO!
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