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Quote: Bilko "Whilst I agree 12 losses is far too many and 6th was a very poor regular season, compared to previous seasons regular hammerings were not seen and that was an improvement. Most of the losses were close apart from Huddersfield in Round 27 when we had nothing to play for.

So at least we have moved forward in that regard but now we need to turn narrow defeats into wins and 2 signings is probably about right but I'm not sure they have to be "top quality". We just need a couple of players who will graft a good job.

A scrum half still remains a must for me. Leuluai is useful with ball in hand but his kicking game is very limited. Doing reports every week I've remarked time and time again that our tactical kicking game was poor and that was the difference in my view between 6th and the top 4 in the regular season and possibly the difference between a narrow semi final loss and a Grand Final in the play offs.

Much as I agree with the idea of a new scrum half and shift Lulu, unless you can off load Riddell it cannot happen as we would have another hooker/half back sitting doing very little every week. Sadly as much as a new SF would improve the team it does not work as good use of money compared to say buying a prop.

If we can get rid of Riddell then fine, if we cannot then an additional SF just does not work.

Sadly

I still think Danny Brough would be the ideal 7 to Sam Tomkins at 6 (or the other way round). He's not "top quality" but he has all the skills required in the kicking department and would be the perfect foil for Sam. Stick Leuluai in at 9 and I think the balance is much better.'"


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How many times does it need to be said that we need to bring a prop, it's now become so glaringly obvious that Martin "I can't string to words together" Offiah has noticed it. Let's get a prop in and go from there, if we can win the arm wrestle more than we lose it then were heading in the right direction.

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Quote: LovesToSpooge "How many times does it need to be said that we need to bring a prop, it's now become so glaringly obvious that Martin "I can't string to words together" Offiah has noticed it. Let's get a prop in and go from there, if we can win the arm wrestle more than we lose it then were heading in the right direction.'"


It’s glaringly oblivious isn’t it.

I don’t know what the reasons are why we haven’t gone out and got one or if we are looking at any but the fact still remains we need a new prop.

We know the chairman reads this board I just hope he sees this one thing more than anything else.

GET A NEW PROP PLEASE MR CHAIRMAN

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Personally I'm not convinced prop forward is the biggest issue. I think half back is a bigger problem. The props can do all the work in the world but if we put in a poor kick at the end of their efforts (which we constantly do), it reflects badly of them when perhaps it shouldn't.

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Quote: Bilko "Personally I'm not convinced prop forward is the biggest issue. I think half back is a bigger problem. The props can do all the work in the world but if we put in a poor kick at the end of their efforts (which we constantly do), it reflects badly of them when perhaps it shouldn't.'"


There's no doubting that are poor kicking game contributes just as much to are poor field position as are lack of go-forward, it's just a case of which do we address first. I very much doubt that we'd be able to bring in a prop and halfback at the same time, we may well have to choose one above the other.

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Offiah's such a joke - the comments were to create publicity for his new 'Fifty of the Greatest Tries book' - which is fair enough.

But reading the blurb for the book on Amazon he 'celebrates the achievements of other great players, team-mates and foes alike. From David Topliss to icon_eek.gif Kyle Eastmond icon_eek.gif , Clive Sullivan to Wally Lewis'

Does the man have no shame! icon_lol.gif

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Quote: LovesToSpooge "There's no doubting that are poor kicking game contributes just as much to are poor field position as are lack of go-forward, it's just a case of which do we address first. I very much doubt that we'd be able to bring in a prop and halfback at the same time, we may well have to choose one above the other.'"


Yeah I totally agree. I'd sort the 7 out first but I suspect most would choose a prop. Without a kicking game I think that would be pointless.

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Quote: Bill_Barlow "Thats the worry i have with Wigan, are we paying Coley what Leeds are paying Peacock? Riddell what Buderus is on (i knows he missed most the year) etc etc. Fielden is on stupid money and id expect we will get 2 players and money spare for what hes on.'"


My problem is that we are paying Coley at all. We are Wigan, and he is salford class not Wigan class. Sorry, it just my opinion.

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Quote: Bilko "Yeah I totally agree. I'd sort the 7 out first but I suspect most would choose a prop. Without a kicking game I think that would be pointless.'"


I'd have Danny Brough here in a shot with a view to introducing Joe in gradually. Brough is a very underated player I think, with a fantastic and varied kicking game that we are missing. I'd take him over Dobson for the shape of our current team anyday.

I think it's a case though of unless we can make a space we simply wont get a halfback in.

Sam, Tommy, Riddell, Mick Mac, something has to give somewhere. It would be quite easy to make the space if one of them wanted to go as i'd imagine they'd take next to nothing on a termination fee (and it's the termination that counts on the cap, no their previous salary).

For the moment though, i'm happy to wait and see what the new setup can get from the existing personel, and then look at 2011 as a big recruitment year with so much cap potentially available.

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Quote: Catalancs "Rugby league legend Martin Offiah believes Wigan must show far more intent to sign quality players if they're to embark on a return to the glory days and has warned the change in coaches might not prove be the solution.

rlhttps://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME'"


That can't have been Offiah - there is a distinct lack of "errrrrrrrm" every few words and an embarrassing silence until a Sky Sports News presenter helps him out.

Quite sad, but for a legend of the game he's become a bit of a joke for me. If it's not his embarrassing attempt to become a pundit, it's his misuse of his media position to push his clients.

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I expect his next headline to be ....Offiah in "Bears Poop in Woods" Shocker!

We all know we need a couple of key signings but i also think that we are dark horses for a Trophy next year, most realistically the cup depending on the draw, i think we are in a stronger/as strong a position as team like Hull, Hudds and Wire who have got to the final and won it.

Martin is doing his bit to jump on the back of a big news week for Wigan in order to ensure he stays in the spotlight also.

As for the halves/prop thoughts for me i think we can consistently challenge for honours with our current halves, iu personally think TL is a better 7 than a 9 and am happy to see him there. He has a quality short kicking game and i think for the long kicking game players like Tomkins, Locky and Phelps need to take more responsibility.

I do not think we can consistently challenge for honours with our current Props and for this reason Prop for me is a must recruit priority.

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I agree on the prop side of thing, again though i think we're looking at 2011 for a top class prop to be a realistic target.

If we can sort out feka's conditioning it would be a great help for next season, the way he has gone after seeing pics of him playing for the New Zealand Warriors is quite simply shocking - he looks like a different player completely, and one which some of their fans would have in his NRL condition days over Fui Fui Moi Moi

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He is right even if he is trying to get us to sign one of his players.

Next season we can win something if we do a wire and win the challenge cup or even go one game further than this year but we are not in a position to dominate a whole year and finish in the top 2, to do that we need good players.

MM had great players infact the best players in the world at Melbourne, he needs to build a team here.

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It is simple. To some degree we have depth and cover for all positions on the park with a degree of quality except Prop. Our backs and back row make us competative, our hookers are up there with the best (piggy a bit fitter would not go a miss mind you), but we have little go forward from the big guys. Get Feka fitter - good start, get the fire in the belly of Fielden - even better, continue to develope Prescott - now we are getting somewhere, get a stone on O'barrell and play him - getting interesting, send Coley back to Salford or on to anyone else who will have him and we are looking good.

In a dream world we get Feka fit, lose Fielden and Coley and bring in Kite and FFMM. The ground would be packed to the rafters and sides would fear us.

Sadly getting rid of Fielden and Coley is 2011 but we can develope O'Barrell and Prescott and get Feka fit, which would be a start.

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Quote: Odemwingie "He is right even if he is trying to get us to sign one of his players.

Next season we can win something if we do a wire and win the challenge cup or even go one game further than this year but we are not in a position to dominate a whole year and finish in the top 2, to do that we need good players.

MM had great players infact the best players in the world at Melbourne, he needs to build a team here.'"


He didn't have the best players in the world in every position though, the salary cap ensures that - what the Storm have done very very well is build the best team, with a few key world class players and the remainder less so. They've also been good to spot where a player could deliver more than he was delivering for his current club and would be a good addition to their squad - e.g. Brett Finch.

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