I wouldn't base alot on a reserve team Grand Final.

The fact remains though is that they had 7 players in that team who had have all played first team at some point this year, our lads stuffed them and alot of our 21s still qualify for the 18s. Takes some doing that whichever way you look at it.

What would you base it on?

- The fact Wigan won the Grand Final
- The fact Wigan went a year unbeaten
- The fact Wigan finished top.
- The debuts of Sam Tomkins, Lee Mossop, Sean Ainscough, Mark Flanagan
- The fact Sam Tomkins has been voted the best stand off in Super league and is the young player of the year
- The established players who have come through our ranks Joel Tomkins, Mike McIlorum, Paul Prescott, Eamon O'carroll
- The new exciting talent that are coming through Ian Thornley, Josh Vievers, Ben Davies, Liam Farrell, Chris Tuson and Joe Mellor

Again I will ask what would you base it on?

Its a good result for your young lads but that doesn't mean they will be stars in Super League.

Reserve League - Super League = Big difference

Yes Sam Tomkins, Lee Mossop, Sean Ainscough, Mark Flanagan have been good in Super League this season but Saints have had a few players do well in Super League as well.

What makes you think the Saints ones will then even though they got stuffed by ours?

Im not saying they will be but a wouldn't write them off because of losing in a reserve GF.

Why has Rommel's post crediting Wigan for winning the reserves grand final 34 -6 and collecting a trophy for their efforts been removed ?

Just posted this on the saints board but it seems to have been locked very quickly .

It's not just that though with Saints, they can bring all the youngsters through that they want but as proven this year with the experienced players getting older and picking up even more injuries it tells. Saints will struggle to replace the experienced players with the same quality and the youngsters IMO are only as good at the momet because of the quality they have around them. Same thing happened with us and it's going to happen to Saints, we know what's happening as we've seen the same thing happen at Wigan not so long ago.

I would love to see Saints fall like you have an start finishing 5th an below and there team to become weak, we might actually beat them then but I just can't see them going down hill that much, they need to keep Eastmond though he's key to there future.

They've got somethin like 8 or 9 players over the age of 30, that isn't a good sign. They're going to need more than Easmond IMO. Pryce has been pretty average by his standards this year, and I think they will miss Long. Cunningham has only got another season left in him then it's only down to Wellens and Graham. Interesting times ahead at Saints but in the mean time I think there could be more success with Warrington and I don't think we'll be to far behind either, we're only a couple of key players short of being a top team. A better no.7 to partnership Sam and a nasty $hitouse prop, in the same mauld as Morley if I'm honest, hard to find I know but that's only what we're short of.

I said they have done well in SL but that doesn't mean the reserves will turn out the same its all about potential

Sean Ainscough is abit like Kevin Penny great scoring but needs to work on his game.

Wigan always bring good young players through but they are not always good seen as good enough an get shipped out, time will tell with this current group.

It's as simple as this, the better the youngster the more chance of them making at pro level, we have some of the best youngsters about therefore there far more likely to make it than those of the same age who aren't as good, yes they'll be odd exceptions but predominantly the better youngsters have a greater chance of making it to the top than the weaker one's.

I disagree. I don't know why Wigan fans are throwing the reserves GF around as if it was some kind of proof of anything because it isn't. Our lads could have just been knackered. They have had to play through injuries and because of injuries, just thrown in rather than graduated like Sam Tomkins. They will have suffered for it because the way they have been introduced to first grade has been nowhere near ideal. In fact, quite the opposite.

I would say that both Wigan and Saints are bringing through some talent at present and it would be great to see both teams' youngsters hit the spot as that would mean some cracking matches in the future and possibly some entertaining rugby at international level too. Personally I don't feel the need to say our team is better than your team but instead can happily acknowledge that we're both doing a good job in developing young talent, which is a very positive thing for the future of RL.