mathers is just a badge kissing player hugger who pats players s when they score to cover up that he is average at best phelps is learning the fullback role and was easy better than mathers in all areas yesterday despite playing in a losing team

Gleeson was awful yesterday

He improved our defense on Roberts side 200% had a quite game yesterday but now and again that can happen.

Shouldnt happen in big games. Hes an international and should eb able to raise himself for it.

He is and as long as Carmont is there always will be the 2nd best centre at the club

A young, ambitious, relatively raw but has potential, centre, who I presume will be keen to impress his international coach, or an aging international centre, clearly going through the motions??...I know which one I'd take, and which one that will, in the long-term, improve the side...

Yep I agree with that, never did ouwt for us, did well getting mathers in the exchange deal.

I HATE these comments. Mo and his bunch of yes men RUINED wigan rugby league in their last few years. Forever chasing big signings and not making the signings we needed. We lost an entire generation of young players because we couldn't afford their wage, that's why IL had to sign the likes of Phelps and Mathers and Pryce.

Under IL Wigan RL are going forwards, we are making good steps towards being self-supporting, money is going into youth talent and not ing Vealiki.

Just because we lost a semi final you seem to believe that the current leadership is poor and can't take us forward as a club.

Well, your a complete and utter moron.

Pryce at 60k a year isnt pinching is it?......You do realsie Mo was in charge of Wigan in the 80's and 90's dont you?

Of course I do, Mo and 3 other board members took us back up from division two to our most recent glory period. Thats why I said final few years.

At Saints and Warrington they have moves that put centres into defensive holes because of dummy runners and Gleeson looked good. We don't do that at Wigan so don't blame Gleeson. It's the coaches fault.

Some people don't understand that most outside backs need the players inside them to make space. If they aren't making breaks it's all their fault, simple as that, no other reason at all.

People who see the game that way clearly have no idea, and will argue with you until their heart stops or you just give up and accept their lack of knowledge and let them think they've won an argument.

I've said for years our attack is amateurish, the flat line we adopt offers no depth and no players hitting the ball at speed. That combined with no dummy runners creates no options for the half backs, and completely no options for the outside backs.

Then we have the fact our forwards couldn't roll over a speed bump in a steam roller. Add all this together and you'll find a team pretty void of ideas.

I still can't believe what we got for him, your negotiating skills leave alot to be desired.

could he just smile a bit more he looks a right moaning sod ,its not fair why me lets face it he he did not play rugby he would be putting fillings in pies cheer up martin you could be working for a living

am i missing something here...? wire fans claiming gleeson never did anything for us...the world's gone mad!

did he come to the hj for the love of the club..? did he hell, but then i'd rather have talent than some emotional loyalty...

look at his stats for us, well, look at his wingers stats...how many times was fa'afili near the top of the try scoring charts..?

the briers to gleeson to fa'afili combination was probably the most effective attack in sl for at least 2 seasons...

i'd have him back tomorrow

Don't let facts get in the way of a one-eyed bigotted opinion... The swap of these two players was the best for all concerned.... End of..