Ok people.

Let's not get personal over opinions.

I have experienced as i am sure many others who post on here playing under people who lead by example, in some very successfull teams.

I would suggest you and others do not want to believe it hence you do not accept it. It works both ways.

The evidence is clearly there that his leadership style is appreciated by the pro's which is why he has captained every team he has been in apart from full GB, which i feel he will one day.

If it was 1 or possibly even 2 coaches who had chosen him as a captain i could see some validity in your argument, but it is every coach he has worked under and now the players are quoting him as a great captain, so there is plenty of evidence to suggest his style works.

Absolutely no chance IMO.

Better get used to it as he is ideal replacement for Peacock..

cant see pryce or wilkin being suitable and wellens will be finished soon

Just out of curiosity.
Why?

Why would it be them?

I'd give it to Ellis or Graham before I gave it to SoL, at least they're actually in the team.

Because he isn't even a first choice pick yet, and may never be.

I like him BTW, as I've said many times on here, but to have him as natural successor to Peacock when he hasn't even pegged down a spot is madness.

Well as you can probably guess I have been playing around with a quotation web page today. Here's another one that seems appropriate as regards his "repeated" selection as a captain.

The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)

Now given Millward was one of the grand total of two coaches to choose him as captain in his senior career and the other is Noble who many want out, I think their might be something in what Mr. Russell has to say

Dave

ellis would be a good choice as hopefully he'll have improced 10 fold from his spell in aus. i also think graham would be in with a shout too

as for locky being in the team, theres no better english 13 currently playing in sl and the only reason he wasnt picked ahead of sinfield is the leeds connection with TS

in a few years time westerman may be ahead of locky in the pecking order

O'Loughlin arguably would have been picked in the 17 last year had he not been injured. Not only that he was our best player behind Burrow against NZ the year before. As well as being picked in the elite squad i would say O'Loughlins place was assured as Grahams or Ellis's.

Ellis was a good shout...not sure Graham is captain material.

The only reason he didn't go to Aus last year was injury.
He was man of the series v NZ in 2007, and has never had a bad game for England of GB.

I think he'll also get the 13 shirt in the 4 nations this year.