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Why do some people have such short fecking memories?!?

We were BOTTOM OF THE LEAGUE, destined to nothing but NL1 (as it was at the time) Dad was programing his sat nav to navigate to the likes of barrow, doncaster and batley.

He came in and we stayed up, nothing short of a miracle. We then finished third in the league, the next season, and then matched it the season after, spending the majority of the season in the top 4.

Explain how that is not an improvement? Ok, so performances arn't fantastic at the minute, and personally I don't think he can take us any further, but seriously, how can you say that? (btw, your not the first and you wont be the last, not a personal attack, im just sick of reading how we haven't improved when we clearly have)

From him taking over we have improved, since the start of his first full season we have not its simple really.

We were vastly underachieving when he came in, any coach that would have come would have kept us up. No doubt in my mind.

whats a "cathartic meeting"?

is that when they pick the next pope?

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No Brian. The Wigan fans are saying 'Hang on a minute, Brian. We're currently out of playoff spots in 9th Position, having played a game more than everyone else apart from Quins, Bradford & Celtic where we have played two games more'.

When it comes to trophies I'm as patient as the next man, but its there for all to see.....WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS.....!!!!!!!! ""I know Wigan fans will say, 'Hang on a minute, Brian. There are no trophies in the cabinet'.
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This part must be a bit of a concern...............................He added
"I'm still in the process of building a team and it can take between three and five years before you can deliver a truly successful team.
That's a bit of a cop out for me. It's easy to say that now, as he has won naff all.( why didn't he say that at first).
Can you imagine the uproar from the fans if he had said on his 1st day in the job, 'Yeah pehaps we'll be an ok team in 5 years time.'
Imagine theis scenario, Noble goes to Aus at the end of this season, Lam, Edwards, Farell or whoever takes over and says, ' don't worry we will be there or thereabouts in 2015.

People are overplaying the relegation fight and did at the time too. I'll get slated but I reckon we would have just about stayed up even if he hadn't came. If Millward had stayed and Dobson and Fielden had arrived we'd have definitely stayed up. If Noble had came and done nothing different to Millward but we'd brought Dobson and Fielden in I reckon we wouldn't have done much different. It was the new coach effect + a couple of very good players that kept us up rather than Brian Noble's ability IMO. Otherwise he'd have kicked on from there, which he hasn't. The players have done little for half the season, then done just enough to make the play offs in the next half then had a couple of good games in the play offs until they meet a good team and then we get beat them and the cycle starts again (see Bradford '01, St Helens '02, Bradford '03, St Helens and Leeds '04, Leeds '07 and Leeds '08.). It's been the same since Endacott left unless you count a shock win against St Helens in the challenge cup final (don't forget they were massive favourites and beat us 19-0 not long before the game). If you want any proof that we don't give 100% effort in early league games watch the challenge cup games around the same time (bar the one's since Noble came to be fair, we even got beat by the easy teams in those) we're a different team!

Although i do not think we would have stayed up had Millward remained in charge i agree wholeheartedly with the rest of the post.

It's difficult to argue that we would have done, to be honest. 80% of the problem was that the players were no longer talking to Millward.

You can't reverse a breakdown in communication like that easily.