Easy to make the decisions after a game isn't it???

Maybe S.Tomkins would of played and we'd of lost by only a couple of points or maybe won by many! Him playing wouldn't of stopped the Smith, Carmont and ref errors.

I put one to you, would you rest Hock? Looked knakered tonight, think he's due one

Ok remove the tests and apply ''Pre-Match Fitness Assessment'

A couple of people I work with, fella in the pub. Cant remember if anyone did on here, tbh, changed jobs in the last week, havent been on here as much.

Have missed you and the Noble debate

This is why he is wrong........

2009 Best Strike Rate
No Player Tries Apps Strike Rate
1 Shaun Ainscough 17 10 170%
2 Pat Richards 8 13 61.5%
3 Sam Tomkins 7 12 58.3%
4 Karl Pryce 2 4 50%
5 Cameron Phelps 3 8 37.5%
6 George Carmont 5 14 35.7%
7 Darrell Goulding 1 3 33.3%
8 Sean O'Loughlin 5 16 31.2%
9 Gareth Hock 4 14 28.5%
10 Amos Roberts 4 14 28.5%
11 Martin Gleeson 2 7 28.5%
12 Thomas Leuluai 4 16 25%
13 Phil Bailey 3 15 20%
14 Joel Tomkins 3 14 21.4%
15 Harrison Hansen 2 10 20%
16 Mike McIlorum 1 10 10%
17 Mark Riddell 1 14 7.1%
18 Stuart Fielden 1 15 6.6%
19 Iafeta Paleaaesina 1 16 6.2%
20 Richard Mathers 0 1 0%
21 Lee Mossop 0 1 0%
22 Eamon O'Carroll 0 6 0%
23 Paul Prescott 0 10 0%
24 Tim Smith 0 11 0%
25 Andy Coley 0 15 0%

Rubbish..Tomkins on the bench should have been the call, Noble Forked Up and we are struggling to get into the eight, if we get knocked out of the cup there will be a very hollow feeling for Wigan fans.

The Trio of Smith & Tommy start with Sam off the bench was working a treat in the previous 3 or 4 matches. Why change it? Just so an overtaed fat aussie can get another undeserved chance in the first team? Sam didn't deserve to be dropped and there were occasions where we were crying out for a bit of something magical that we know Sam can provide. Piggy should be dropped next week but I have a feeling McIllorum will take Piggy's punishment and Sam will come back into the side.

I doubted Nobby when he dropped Ainscough at Murrayfield but he knew best and we came up trumps. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt today when the teams were announced, but, this selection simply didn't work tonight. Piggy needs a few weeks in the reserves to show he cannot just simply walk into the side and put in zero effort.

I'll say it again but some of us said he was wrong before the game when it was rumoured Tomkins would miss out and you must know I have been saying Ainscough for Roberts ever since Ainscough was dropped. It is NOT hindsight.



It's not about resting players its about picking players, it's a subtle difference. Think about it.

Dave

the facts are whether sam needs a rest or not, he could have been on the bench and used for 30 mins or so. if anyone can say that riddel offers more than sam, or roberts offers more than shaun, they need their heads seeing to.what riddel and roberts offer to the team that these 2 wigan lads dont,god only knows (and noble apparently).

Roberts saved us twice tonight, something Ainscough would not have done.
Smith gave the killer ball for O'Loughlins try, something Sam would not have done.

We were not patient enough with the ball in the second half. We got a bad call on half time but the players have to accept that and play to the referees whistle.

Great game, that I really enjoyed, and if played again tomorrow could end up with a different result.

Wigans charge down kick (Smith) HKR - try
HKR charge down kick (Dobson?) almost a Wigan try.

That's how close the game was.

Tactically in the second half I think we took the wrong option, IMO we should have kicked earlier in the tackle count and made HKR play from close to their own line.

Yeah, I know what you mean.

But on the Ainsy and S. Tomkins front, people expect them to perform week in week out and play every week.

I only play ARL, when I was 18/19, just the before match pressure took alot out of me. Now at 21 it doesn't as I've gained that experience slowly and know whats coming. People may say it's the same, HA whatever.

I couldn't imagine the pressure that is on their shoulders of between 11k and 20k fans, depending on the game, it's alot to deal with week in week out and I bet it really takes it's toll.

I still think they are being developed the correct way, working on them for the 2010,11,12 seasons. The wrong way being Kevin Penny, Chris Riley, the right way being players such as Ryan Hall and Lee Smith, intorduced slowly and boy is it paying off now?

I sometimes wonder if Noble feels he has to make controversial team selections to prove the point that he's in charge. Ainscough has a weakness under the high ball, but I can't see what Roberts is offering that Ainscough doesn't. If he'd come in to replace a world class winger and done as well as he has you could understand him being dropped - but Roberts isn't a world class winger. He offered nothing in attack - clearly doesn't back himself to have the pace to go on the outside, and doesn't have the strength/size to make breaks on the inside. He could have walked off the pitch after the tackle on Dobson early on & we wouldn't have noticed the difference.

If I was SA I'd be wondering what the hell I had to do - how many other coaches would leave out the comp's top try scorer (even having played half the games of most other players)?

I'd love to know how much of the cap Roberts, Riddell, Smith & Bailey are taking up for the meagre returns we're getting.

How do you know that?

He may well not have made those tackles but going forward Roberts was poor. We failed to score given a lot of pressure and Ainscough is better at creating something out of nothing than Roberts.



That pass was a Smith special but how do you know Sam would have even been on the pitch at that time?

We ran out of ideas in the 2nd half and the half backs were not effective. They were last week and so Noble changed the winning team?

When I suggest get Ainscough in there he can't change a winning team but when he does and it fails the speculatuion is it would not have been right anyway? Give over, he screwed up.



The first half was great but the 2nd had far too many things in common with our early season attack.



Well IMO it isn't that simple. We looked a different team and a poorer one in the 2nd half and despite much pressure on their line had no idea how to break it.

Dave