Agression is something we are lacking IMO

I know its not exactly a trait you want a player to have but how many of our squad apart from Hock would have the b@lls to throw a punch (nevermind the first punch)

Are you joking?

Do you think Hock is mistake free? Do you think he doesn't give the ball away with silly offloads? Do you think he doesn't knock on? Do you thinkhe has the composure to know when to pass and when not to?

I think he is a quality player, but can't be world class with such errors still in his game!

So your an advocate of the boring non-offloading and non-passing style of play? Take no risks and make no mistakes?

Oh come on. Are you saying there is no difference between boring play and having the composure to know when and when not to offload? Was Hanley a boring player? No, and he is an example of someone who had the insight to know when and when not to offload.

Talk about dillusion......have a word with yourself....players like watmough, stewart, laffranchi, ellis....all ten times the player hock is or is ever likely to be....hock comes nowhere close to the sort of second row play of all of these players. thats not even to mention players like fitzgibon, wilkin who although not world class are far superior to hock.

its almost laughable how much some wigan fans build hock up......you make us the laughin stock of all the other teams in the league....it makes us sound nearly as bad as the wire fans who reconed lee briers was better than trent barrett

I never said he was mistake free but so far this season he has made the same amount of mistakes as any other player in the team. As I said before over the past few seasons he doesnt make as many silly offloads as he used to. If they come off he's world class if they dont he's overrated?

It sounds like your saying that if he wasn't world class then he wouldnt make any mistakes at all. I never said he was world class as this was proven at the WC, but he is an awesome player and on his day is one of the best in SL.

Show me a player who is??????

BTW According to the stats, 1st five games 3 handling errors and 1 penalty against!

I'll take that any day of the week!

Someone with a bit of common sense and an honest eye, well said fella!

Are any players mistake free?
Do any players not knock on?

Some people on here need to comment without the pedantic remarks.

If asking do others players knock on an argument for Hock you're lost.

It is not just Wigan fans. The neutrals, pundits, journalists and other fans recognise Hock as one of the best second row forwards in super league and one of the best in the British game.

Are they all wrong too?

i like hock, how many times does he offload in a tackle and the player nearest him is looking the other way? he run's it in hard, can step, make's brake's and is good in defence generally. i do think he is better off the bench though