It certainly looks that way. Shame really

Thornley and Tomkins centres for next season? Or will Sarginson carry on there?

I suspect Thornley, Sarginson & Gelling will make up the centres. Wane specifically said that he's signed Joel to play back-row so, barring an injury crisis, I presume that's where Joel will play.

What's your opinions of Goulding?

Not world class but a good solid centre. Has a tendency to fly out of the line every now and then and leave his winger a little exposed though but I don't think he's alone in that. Suffered with injury this season so he's been a bit inconsistent and hasn't managed to hold a place down but if he can get back to the form of a couple of seasons ago, and he's young enough to do that, you'll have a decent centre.

He is a good player, that is very underrated, and has a good all round game. He has been good or very good the last couple of seasons and when fit is the best centre at the club. People are looking into his form this season but completely ignore the fact that he has had a knee injury since the World Club Challenge and was only left out of the side after telling the club he was leaving. A very good signing for Hull KR.

I am sorry to see Darrell going. All the new challenge bumpf doesn't hide the fact that he is off to a club who generally struggle. Good luck to KR in trying to improve but I cannot see him moving forward. At the same time I worry about our club. To challenge we need top class centres rather than people filling in. I know that Gildart is well thought of but he is still years away from a regular starting spot and who is going to guide his development? Just look at how many tries we concede on the edge against how many walk ins our wingers get.

On his day he's a very good winger's centre who will make plenty of assists. However, for me he always seemed to follow one good season with a bad one, meaning just when he secured a regular first team spot he would go on to lose it again.

My favourite memory of him was actually his performance out on the wing in the 2010 grand final. He scored a try, smashed Meli in touch when he looked certain to trample over the top of him and score, and made an intercept when they looked like they were in for a try after a big break as well. Meli did fend him off to score towards the end of the game but it was effectively over by that point. People tend to talk more about how Leuluai and Gleeson played in that game but for me Goulding was just as important in putting us ahead then closing Saints out of the game.

I agree with the above. A great signing for Hull KR. He's been dogged by injury this season, but in his time at Wigan it has only really been since MaGuire/Wane took over that he has been given a good crack in the centres and he hasn't let us down. Charnley scored 40+ tries outside of him last season and the best centre play I have seen this season has been from Goulding v Castleford where Charnley got five. In the context of Super League - where there are no world class centres - Goulding is one of the best. He is the best centre at the club and I'm disappointed to see him leave - especially after he has been here so long and is only 26. Sarginson does not look like developing into a top class centre as Radlinski has been quoted on the website, but I've never played professional rugby so what do I know!

About him shooting out of the line, most times he nails his opponent, or breaks up moves. The odd occasion it doesn't come off for him and unfortunately, this is what lots of Wigan fans seem to pick up on.

For me, he's a classic centre, knows the role inside out and is a great loss for us, especially with the non-specialist players the club thinks are adequate back up.

Good luck to Goulding. He and Charnley presented one of the best pairings I have seen play for Wigan, so I'm sad to see that it won't be resurrected after they have both had problems with injury.

A centre with a great brain. He knows how to set up a winger whenever he has the chance, be it by quick hands, a flick or a little grubber. His defensive reads imo have been fantastic (though he did have the odd nightmare game), at times it felt like we would go weeks without leaking a single try down his edge. He does the little things well, his scooting technique has always impressed me, and he will put his hand up when we need it. It's a shame he isn't particularly athletically gifted, but he made it work. Obviously not in the same class, but he's not too dissimilar to Lyon in the way he goes about his game.

I hope he continues to improve and nail that year-to-year consistency. He strikes me as a guy who shouldn't really lose much when he gets older (as he didn't have that much to rely on physically) so he has every chance of continuing to improve if he can apply himself.

Best of luck to him.

Sad to see him go really, a good player, a Wigan lad and one of the club's longest serving players. I personally think we should be doing all we can to keep hold of our established players, maybe the club tried but not hard enough?

There's an interesting snippet amongst his interview: "and the fact they wanted me so much (Hull KR) was a really good feeling to have." Maybe a hint that he knew he wasn't wanted at Wigan?

What worries me about this is we are losing yet another good player for no good reason.

The tipping point has arrived for me.

We can't just keep on putting youngsters in the team and hope it works. Shaun Wane worked miracles last year and I don't think it is fair to keep expecting him to work more miracles.

I was only thinking the other day how few mistakes Pat used to make. As promising as he is Burgess's game is riddled with mistakes. I think he has made more than any other player in Super League. That's what you get with youngsters. Burgess will be good, but he needs a break for a few months to work on his game.

Sarginson is a full back only. He is not a centre. Gelling has done well but he just can't pass the ball to his winger with any consistency. Thornley started the season well but IMO needs to improve a lot before he can nail down a spot.

Bowen has either been brilliant or hopeless, with nothing much in between. I'm not convinced yet by Hampshire, and he's nowhere near good enough to be handed a regular starting spot.

Green will be missed. None of the youngsters are good enough to replace him. Some people have mentioned Todd Carney. Now, this guy is absolute class and I would love to see him play. I doubt that Wigan will be interested though - although to be fair he does bring a lot of baggage.

It is going to take Joel months to get fit enough to play League again, in fact I doubt we will see the best of him until next season, if ever.

Sorry to be so pessimistic. I just feel that we are going backwards quickly. We have lost one game for every two that we have won this year. Not good enough.

Why are so many players so keen to up sticks and leave - to add to last season's exodus now we have Green, Goulding, Taylor & Sutton (plus maybe Bowen)?

If this leaking of players isn't addressed soon IL should not be surprised if more FANS don't up sticks and leave too!

Miles better than what we have at the moment, so I'm smiling. Hope the rumours about Burns to you are not true, he is a top quality player.

John bateman to hull kr, is this a wind up?