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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



It's not been outlawed unless I'm very much mistaken. Out of interest, what's the rule in union?

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The Aussie commentators mention this alot and then theres the mad rule about allowing a player to tackle another in flight if he is attacking the ball?. I have no idead what thats about but the Aussies do.
More inconsistencies: not allowing the video ref to judge a forward pass but they judge other line decisions like knock ons and offsides. Barmy.

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Quote: Mash Butty "The Aussie commentators mention this alot and then theres the mad rule about allowing a player to tackle another in flight if he is attacking the ball?. I have no idead what thats about but the Aussies do.
More inconsistencies

its generally accept a ball can travel forwards as long as it goes out the hands backwards its easy to see if a ball bounces in front/forward or if a player is stood in an offside position.

i actually like the ruling about a defender jumping for a contested ball but being allowed to tackle if he doesn't get the ball, what are you supposed to do just allow a try? its not as if they allow players just to whip there legs from under them it has be to a legit contest for the ball.

the stupidest rule was in the warriors game to day, the ref was running back through the middle of the ruck to get in position to swap with the other referee and Rapira offloads the ball and it hits the ref but because it was in there own half it became a panthers feed at the scrum.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "I know that the shoulder charge was outlawed for players safety '"



the shoulder charge was outlawed......???

Gareth O'Brien's been sparked out by three in the last month or so.... someone should tell the RFL its been outlawed

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Quote: the flying biscuit "the shoulder charge was outlawed......???

Gareth O'Brien's been sparked out by three in the last month or so.... someone should tell the RFL its been outlawed'"


But didn't Saints receive penalties on at least two of those occasions?

As to my original point it appears that Huddersfield had a try disallowed yesterday and a penalty given to London for the attacking player leading with the shoulder.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "But didn't Saints receive penalties on at least two of those occasions?

As to my original point it appears that Huddersfield had a try disallowed yesterday and a penalty given to London for the attacking player leading with the shoulder.'"


But what are players supposed to lead with?

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Quote: Grimmy "It's not been outlawed unless I'm very much mistaken. Out of interest, what's the rule in union?'"


Its always been unacceptable in Union , i believe, against the spirit of the game apparently. It was made illegal last year.
The stupidest rule in Union imo is the one that awards a penalty against a defender who knocks on trying to intercept the ball.

back on topic. Wasnt the rule made strictly to penalise tacklers, not attackers? They have to lead with something, as long as it isnt the elbow or forearm? , they have to be able to defend themselves somehow.

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Is it possible to hold a ball in your arm and not lead with the arm or shoulder?

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: Smooth Stu "Is it possible to hold a ball in your arm and not lead with the arm or shoulder?'"

Players generally lead with their non-ball carrying arm and chest, rather than the shoulder

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Quote: wigan pie man "back on topic. Wasnt the rule made strictly to penalise tacklers, not attackers? They have to lead with something, as long as it isnt the elbow or forearm? , they have to be able to defend themselves somehow.'"

Correct and it looks like the whistle blower got it badly wrong on the occasion mentioned above. Funny how they cant apply simple rules. Other rules that aren't being applied: the flop, hands on the ball in the tackle, the 10 metre march (I dont see it much anyway) and the standing square at the mark. The stains board went crazy when we played them, however they did have a point but ALL teams are doing it. Top of the list is the 10 metre defensive line which in Oz is maintained when the ball is picked up by the hooker, in this country the defense moves forward when the ball hits the ground when its being played. It really does affect our game.

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Quote: Mash Butty " Top of the list is the 10 metre defensive line which in Oz is maintained when the ball is picked up by the hooker, in this country the defense moves forward when the ball hits the ground when its being played. It really does affect our game.'"


So you would rather we make rules up than follow them correctly?

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Quote: Grimmy "Players generally lead with their non-ball carrying arm and chest, rather than the shoulder'"


No they dont. Most forwards lead with the ball carrying arm.

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: 21-12 "No they dont. Most forwards lead with the ball carrying arm.'"

So still not the shoulder then

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If you lead with the shoulder there is only one side the ball can readily be off-loaded, so pretty limiting tactic.

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Quote: Bernard Manningham "So you would rather we make rules up than follow them correctly?'"

Thats the point, in this country we have made up the rule of moving forward at the contact of ball and ground durrr

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