Winning things these last few years is no fun when there's whinging to be done.

I sense the doom and gloom is on its way back!

I want to know about season tickets/memberships. The longer it goes without anything being announced the less likely I can convince my missus about getting one!

The doom n gloom on my part is down to the fact that the quality just isn't there any more.

So you think theres been a decline as well?

I agree, but when I posted a thead on the VT everyone is disagreeing

At the risk of being branded a troll I think you're clutching at straws with some of those. Is a club like wigan really supposed to be squawking about semi final appearences? Come on.

Wane has failed to deliver to expectations in his first season, if you don't make the grand final next season i think he'll be on his way (unless there is CC success).

RL in general is deffo on the decline. The simple fact is that there is very little intensity in the weekly rounds due to the current format. That's all on another thread though.

As for Wigan, some doom and gloom but not all. I'll reserve judgement until we see who comes in. We need reinforcements but have a solid base to build upon.

I don't agree. The way some people write on here its almost a case of we'll never be happy and Wane will never be any good unless we win everything. Those days are gone. Our season was not poor and we were a worms tooth away from wembley and the GF as well as finishing top!
We can improve on last season but not by much!

tbh, isnt the doom and gloom more about the apparent head long charge into oblivion that the RFL appear to be planning (revamped junior setup, mismanagement of expansion clubs, poor implementation of financial regs, failure to appoint a decent international coach, failing to stop best players being poached by year-on-year reduction in net value of SC, increasing number of pointless fixtures due to top 8, increasingly poor standard of ref's, etc etc)

its just difficult to be positive when surrounded by such mediocrity (both in players, coaches and administrators)

We are the only team to have won both major trophys recently, pretty happy with that!!

and we're the only team to have beaten Leeds in a knock out play off match in 6 years.

Things are rosy.

???

Are you on the wind up?

League Leaders - irrelevant

Semi finalists - irrelevant

Individual accolades in a team sport - irrelevant

Which bit's don't you get?

Don't want to speak for somebody else but I reckon he means that its irrelevant because we didn't win the grand final and didn't win the challenge cup.
When u strip a season back, they are the main objectives.