Just look on the Leeds forum, talk about amber and blue tinted specs.

i did look at the leeds forum, but to be honest you come off sounding like a bit of a prat more than anything. your comments are why this and other team's forums are declining.. why go on the leeds board just to wind them up and call their team average in some gloat session? if you want to knock their players, do it here

The reason i go on other teams forums is because i am sick of reading about our players being slated on there. I have to have my say.Wigan is in my blood mate, always has been so looking prat or not am not really concerned about.

well fair enough... you'll likely get banned pretty sharpish though by some third reich mod

and there wasn't many wigan players mentioned in the carl ablett thread!

Random thread. I don't really rate him but I can see what he brings to the Leeds side. He's got a decent offload, is a workhorse in defence and with the ball, he can break a tackle or two and probably isn't on mega bucks. You can't have superstars in every position.

England International or NRL player though?

Probably not good enough for England as we have plenty of better second rowers (I believe his best position), but I think he'd do a job in the NRL. For one thing, they love their workhorse second rowers, especially with a bit of niggle like Ablett has. The NRL isn't the wealth of talent and stardom like many people here think it is.

so you starting a thread on here to slate another teams player is different?..

as for Ablett, he's not the greatest but he does a job. and managed to score against us last week. He's a big unit playing in the centre so attacking wise he's gonna be a threat out wide.

Just playing the game, doing the same as they are. They have slated the whole concept of the team WIGAN you wanna have a look at it before having a go at me.

I'm not having a go at anyone.

We are the current superleague champions, I wouldn't expect opposition fans, especially Leeds to just bow down and tell us how great they think we and our players are. no matter how we played, how good our rugby was to watch. or how many of the best young talented players we had in the league. we are Wigan, and will simply be hated for it because of the jealousy stemming from the fact that we are the most decorated team in rugby league history.

When Leeds where winning things I'd imagine there would of been lots of threads slating them for various things... it happens.

I am old enough to remember when the opposition fans admired how we played and i for one was proud to hear that from fans who were a lot fairer than they are now. They still admire us now but hate us more.

In terms of a second row forward playing in the centres I'd say he's no better or worse than JT. Probably more consistent than JT though.

In just those terms id agree although id argue joel offers more across the field in meters and speed and involvement.