It was confirmed long ago the two south wales games were Bradford and Catalans. The rest are at Wrexham as far as I'm aware.

I'm quite happy to watch the game in the South Wales. Its a much easier trip for me. And, quite frankly, all these home games we play at the DW Stadium which is a good 4 - 5 hour drive on a Friday evening are just damned inconsiderate.

It says the Catalans game is at Wrexham on their website.

Harlequins sorry not Catalans. Thats what they said in mid December as discussed here - rlforums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?frl

Thier old website was more clear.

TBH there are several reasons to be positive about Crusaders:

A town that seems to want them
Good ticket sales
Good stadium
Noble
Reliable kit manufacturer
Good sponsors

Yes, they moved across Wales, and yes they are nearer to the "heartlands" but my god, lets give the new club a chance.

But that's the point.

It's not a "new club" - It's a failed club that's being allowed to start again as if last year was just a practise run.

As I said. they should have been put in to the National Leagues, where they could both prove themselves, build a fan-base and prepare for the step up to SL.

Surely the simple answer to all of these gripes is simple. Don't go and watch them either home or away, it won't take long for every other club to get sick of the lack of gate at home and the message would be clear to the RFL.

Crusaders problems are not popular by a long way but I'm not sure they are a new club. They haven't been put into administration that I know of.
Loads of "heartlands" clubs have been in admin and been started again as "new" clubs.
Bradford, HKR, Widnes, Rochdale, Oldham to name a few.

Celtic's problems are no longer financial, they are their squad. Noble has not had time to sign and train them and quality is going to be a problem.
End of season they are eveyone's 14th club including mine.

However they do have a good ground and it will likely bring in more revenue than the likes of Salford or Quins. Their overall revenue situation will depend on the crowds. Long term they will attract players from areas west of the pennines and we need a SL club nearer to us than S Wales.

The original difficulties with Celtic have been overcome and the outcome is that where as five years ago we didn't have any clubs in Wales we now have two.
Hopefully from 2012 there will be 5 SL clubs near to us. Saints, Wire, Salford, Widnes and Crusaders. With two outside the northern areas Quins & Cats.
The Celtic situation could have ended far worse for Rugby League than it has and in that respect I'm more than happy with the outcome.

The Harlequins game is going to be in South Wales, 100% certain.

London got RFL help on more than one occasion and any new team that is started to expand the game will get the same.

They have found a new backer and a ground which is one of the better ones in Super League. A very good potential fan base yes they have been pulled out of the proverbial but at least give them to the middle of next season to prove themselves under the new management. Then if they have not improved then complain to the RFL to stop them getting a new franchise.

What difference does travel time make, FFS?

How do you think football or yawnion fans get on? They travel up and down the country to get to away matches on a regular basis, so why is it such a big problem when we have to do it once in a blue moon?

Get a grip.

Yeah but its not once in a blue moon. Its every home game. Wigan should play more games in Gloucestershire.

I think it may make a difference if you work 60+ hours a week, have a couple of kids to look after etc. Oh, and then the cost is going to be greater. What percentage of home crowds of Union/Football travel to the 4/5 hour distant matches BTW?

With your view we may as well have a South African team in the SL too, sure it takes a while to get there but there really isn't an issue is there?

Utterly stupid statement.