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Start with Piggy and bring Tommy on, if Deacon is going to start.

However what I think will happen, is Tommy at seven with Deacon on the bench.

Then Deacon on at scrum half and Tommy to 9.

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I don't buy into this notion that Tommy would be twice the player he is now if he was played at 9.

Keep him at 7 for me and continue to develop the partnership with Tomkins.

I personally wouldn't have Deacon in the 17 with an injury free squad.

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Quote: MadDogg "I don't buy into this notion that Tommy would be twice the player he is now if he was played at 9.

Keep him at 7 for me and continue to develop the partnership with Tomkins.

I personally wouldn't have Deacon in the 17 with an injury free squad.'"


I don't think he would be twice the player he is now I just think that he's more suited to 9, his greatest asset is his running game and his strength we've seen how explosive he can be coming out of 9.

Plus he can sometimes be anonymous in games but by putting him at 9 your forcing him to get his hands on the ball more and get involved.

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Why no option for playing both positions depending on what is required by the coach/team?

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Quote: MadDogg "I don't buy into this notion that Tommy would be twice the player he is now if he was played at 9.

Keep him at 7 for me and continue to develop the partnership with Tomkins.

I personally wouldn't have Deacon in the 17 with an injury free squad.'"


I agree i think people get a bit carried away with the notion of him being a hooker because he has played there covering a problem spot for the Kiwi's.


Personally I see him as a halfback 6 or 7, although i was surprised he did not play more as the second receiver than Smith when they played together, his game suited it in that combination in my opinion.

I think a team playing with Tommy and Tomkins in the halves is more than capable of winning SL with the right support elsewhere. There aspects he needs to work on but he is still young, his organisational play improves every year as does his short kicking game, i do not think he will ever develop a long kicking game but maybe Deacon can help him in that department.

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Quote: MadDogg "I don't buy into this notion that Tommy would be twice the player he is now if he was played at 9.

Keep him at 7 for me and continue to develop the partnership with Tomkins.

I personally wouldn't have Deacon in the 17 with an injury free squad.'"


Seconded.

Leuluai is a better 9 then he is 7 imo but there isn't much in it and he's a better 7 then Deacon.

Deacon has been brought in as back up and should be 5th choice imo. He'll still get plenty of games because alot of the time one of Sam, Leuluai, Piggy or McIlorum will either be injured, suspended or in need of a rest.

5 players for 4 positions is just right imo.

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Quote: NickyKiss "He'll still get plenty of games because alot of the time one of Sam, Leuluai, Piggy or McIlorum will either be injured, suspended or in need of a rest.'"


Not to mention Sam Tomkins and Thomas Leuluai will most likely be on mid-season international duty.

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Quote: cadoo "Not to mention Sam Tomkins and Thomas Leuluai will most likely be on mid-season international duty.'"


Of course.

We can keep a nice settled side by signing Deacon. It means no shifting around of Phelps, Gleeson or Lockers to halfback which in turn led to somebody shifting to fullback, Centre or Loose Forward.

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i personaly think deacon will get alot of game time this season. i think piggy might get left out in the cold unless he picks his game and fitness up vastly

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Quote: jameswk "i personaly think deacon will get alot of game time this season. i think piggy might get left out in the cold unless he picks his game and fitness up vastly'"


I'll light the blue touch paper here I think:

What makes you feel Riddell had a worse season than McIlorum?

And:

Is a dedicated interchange hooker even necessary?

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I can see McIlorum being the one to be left out if I'm honest. However MaGuire and Wane will pick a team for what they have to face so it will change around in certain games I think.

IMO currently the best we can put out is

6 Tomkins
7 Deacon

9 McIlorum

14 Leuluai

I appreciate Riddell as a player but do not think he has been as good as he should be and therefore should have to work for his place more. I feel McIlorums supperior defence is currently more valuble to the team than what Piggy brings which lets be honest at times has not been much.

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Quote: Odemwingie "I can see McIlorum being the one to be left out if I'm honest. However MaGuire and Wane will pick a team for what they have to face so it will change around in certain games I think.

IMO currently the best we can put out is

6 Tomkins
7 Deacon

9 McIlorum

14 Leuluai

I appreciate Riddell as a player but do not think he has been as good as he should be and therefore should have to work for his place more. I feel McIlorums supperior defence is currently more valuble to the team than what Piggy brings which lets be honest at times has not been much.'"


Statistically their defence is about the same pro rata icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "

Is a dedicated interchange hooker even necessary?'"


The Aussies don't seem to think so and considering we're being coached by one maybe thats the road we'll eventually go down.

I'd fancy McIlorum or Leuluai's chances of completing 80mins at hooker more then I would Piggy's though. I thought McILorum showed some neet touches in terms of kicking out of dummy half last year. Maybe McGuire can turn him into Wigans Cameron Smith icon_biggrin.gif

Long shot i know.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: NickyKiss "The Aussies don't seem to think so and considering we're being coached by one maybe thats the road we'll eventually go down.

I'd fancy McIlorum or Leuluai's chances of completing 80mins at hooker more then I would Piggy's though. I thought McILorum showed some neet touches in terms of kicking out of dummy half last year. Maybe McGuire can turn him into Wigans Cameron Smith
In super league though the impact hooker still works in many ways so that is a very long term thing as the game evolves. IMO the game is going to start needing more skillfull forwards and players like Ellis, Burgess and offloading props like Crabtree will become more valueble.

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Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "I'll light the blue touch paper here I think
i dont think he had a worse season the mcIlorum but he certainly was no better.. as far as a dedicated interchange hooker is concerned i think it is used to change the dimention of the game. maybe to confuse a tired defence. it works sometimes other times it doesnt. Is there a need that is certainly questionable .

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