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| Quote: Grimmy "Disagree. We've literally had a case study of both approaches. 00s we took your approach of sacrificing youth for big signings and won one challenge cup. 10s we took the current approach of sacrificing big signings for youth and won four Grand Finals and two challenge cups. There have been a few recent signings who haven't worked out but the overall philosophy is spot on IMO.'"
I didn’t say sacrifice youth for big signings. It’s a balance and currently I think the club has got it wrong with too many young players being as Rads put it, being paid the market rate. It’s a jam tomorrow policy and there is no guarantee the likes of Byrne and Partington are going to be worth persisting with. That does not mean getting rid of Harvard, KPP etc.
Too many have come through at the same time to keep them all and have a balanced squad.
I suspect they really all do get the same market rate once they get their senior contract and if they do I think that’s wrong as well. This is pro sport where some players are deemed worth more than others. If the club offered half as much to Bryne than Harvard, so what if Bryne then leaves?
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| Quote: nathan_rugby "On what basis is the future bright for Wigan?'"
The Squad
We have a superb team when you sit back and look at who’s in. Our starting 13 at full strength is superb
1. French
2. Marshall
3. Gildart
4. Bibby
5. Field
6. Smith
7. Hastings
8. Singleton
9. Powell
10. Havard
11. Farrell
12. KPP
13. Bateman
On paper that is a superb side. One that should achieve far more than it has been doing. Granted we’ve had injuries but we still should be getting more and that falls down to one person - Adrian Lam.
Next season we’ll have two powerful props, a promising winger and a little less exciting centre. The squad is there to be optimistic.
Adrian Lam
Thankfully going. If he was staying I’d be nowhere near as confident that the future is bright. Literally has no idea what he’s doing, no attack, baffling selections and his post match comments are becoming a comedy (see his latest after today’s game).
A new coach who is competent and actually has a clue what he’s doing will go a long way. Saints/Catalans despite being far and away the best teams in Super League aren’t that good. We’re not far away, although it seems it.
Finances and Stadium
There is a significant shortfall but that’s not debt against the club as it’s been covered. The stadium rent is going up - no arguments from me - but it’s still cheaper and more sustainable that our own ground in the [icurrent climate [/i.
I know you don’t agree and that’s fine but I do believe the future is bright and I do believe we’re not too far away. We just need to sign players where needed (done) and get rid of Adrian Lam (shortly to be done) and we’re halfway there.
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "The Squad
We have a superb team when you sit back and look at who’s in. Our starting 13 at full strength is superb
1. French
2. Marshall
3. Gildart
4. Bibby
5. Field
6. Smith
7. Hastings
8. Singleton
9. Powell
10. Havard
11. Farrell
12. KPP
13. Bateman
On paper that is a superb side. One that should achieve far more than it has been doing. Granted we’ve had injuries but we still should be getting more and that falls down to one person - Adrian Lam.
Next season we’ll have two powerful props, a promising winger and a little less exciting centre. The squad is there to be optimistic.
Adrian Lam
Thankfully going. If he was staying I’d be nowhere near as confident that the future is bright. Literally has no idea what he’s doing, no attack, baffling selections and his post match comments are becoming a comedy (see his latest after today’s game).
A new coach who is competent and actually has a clue what he’s doing will go a long way. Saints/Catalans despite being far and away the best teams in Super League aren’t that good. We’re not far away, although it seems it.
Finances and Stadium
There is a significant shortfall but that’s not debt against the club as it’s been covered. The stadium rent is going up - no arguments from me - but it’s still cheaper and more sustainable that our own ground in the [icurrent climate [/i.
I know you don’t agree and that’s fine but I do believe the future is bright and I do believe we’re not too far away. We just need to sign players where needed (done) and get rid of Adrian Lam (shortly to be done) and we’re halfway there.'"
Next season we won’t have Hastings or Gildart.
We have signed 3 unproven and relatively inexperienced Aussies and a centre for the third time with no heart.
A 9 with no discernible skills other than to tackle.
We haven’t got a clue if Field is good, bad or indifferent before you even suggest that he is a winger.
Not sure what Bateman is but he isn’t a 13.
At the moment Smilh looks nothing like a starting 6 for a Championship side let alone a SL player.
I admire your confidence but next year on paper will be worse than 2021 unless we recruit an exceptionally good coach. Hope I’m wrong.
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| There’s talent to work with for sure but Matty Peet alongside Wane (in whatever role he has) are going to have to have a really big pre season on the training field to get us back to looking the well organised team we used to. It’s a rabble with the ball at the moment.
I’m not fussed about the outside backs position if Hardaker stays. I think you can work with a backline line including French, Hardaker, Marshall, Bibby etc and Miski does look a good fit for that style of rugby we used to play under Wane (which I presume will come back) but the halfback signing, alongside how Mago and Ellis settle in will be absolutely key. We’re desperate for not only a new coach to sort this mess out but alongside that, any new man needs better players around the middle and he’ll need a good replacement for Hastings. I thought we saw today that there’s some real talent in the likes of Havard and KPP but they need that extra support as well and they need to be pushed to earn their spots.
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65656_1708941604.jpg [size=95:2obtgspq]23 LEAGUE TITLES[/size:2obtgspq]
[size=95:2obtgspq]21 CHALLENGE CUPS[/size:2obtgspq]
[size=95:2obtgspq]5 WORLD TITLES[/size:2obtgspq]
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| Quote: NickyKiss "There’s talent to work with for sure but Matty Peet alongside Wane (in whatever role he has) are going to have to have a really big pre season on the training field to get us back to looking the well organised team we used to. It’s a rabble with the ball at the moment.
I’m not fussed about the outside backs position if Hardaker stays. I think you can work with a backline line including French, Hardaker, Marshall, Bibby etc and Miski does look a good fit for that style of rugby we used to play under Wane (which I presume will come back) but the halfback signing, alongside how Mago and Ellis settle in will be absolutely key. We’re desperate for not only a new coach to sort this mess out but alongside that, any new man needs better players around the middle and he’ll need a good replacement for Hastings. I thought we saw today that there’s some real talent in the likes of Havard and KPP but they need that extra support as well and they need to be pushed to earn their spots.'"
That's the way I'm seeing it too.
FWIW, I thought when Bullock had his 8 mins we looked a better side. He was making ground and we got into a wrestle for the match. Now I'm going on one of those 'if' rants here, but IF Ellis and Mago can provide that go forward on a regular basis & IF that helps Singleton do this thing and takes pressure off Byrne and Havard - we'll see loads of improvement.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "There’s talent to work with for sure but Matty Peet alongside Wane (in whatever role he has) are going to have to have a really big pre season on the training field to get us back to looking the well organised team we used to. It’s a rabble with the ball at the moment.
I’m not fussed about the outside backs position if Hardaker stays. I think you can work with a backline line including French, Hardaker, Marshall, Bibby etc and Miski does look a good fit for that style of rugby we used to play under Wane (which I presume will come back) but the halfback signing, alongside how Mago and Ellis settle in will be absolutely key. We’re desperate for not only a new coach to sort this mess out but alongside that, any new man needs better players around the middle and he’ll need a good replacement for Hastings. I thought we saw today that there’s some real talent in the likes of Havard and KPP but they need that extra support as well and they need to be pushed to earn their spots.'"
Mago and Ellis are out and out punts. We needed more certainty (if that’s possible) but rank bad squad management by IL/KR in the last few seasons has led to the acquisitions of uncertainty yet again.
The more I I think about it the more I don’t want a Peet/Wane partnership. 2016 and 2017 nearly finished me off as a fan. The quality of play and the siege mentality of the club to its own supporters for me was pretty poor.
We need much much more than “tough” play and the wrestling pit. Not sure if Peet/Wane can provide that.
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7914_1630875396.png I'm 49, I've had a brain haemorrhage and a triple bypass and I could still go out and play a reasonable game of rugby union. But I wouldn't last 30 seconds in rugby league.
Graham Lowe
When Wigan do comebacks
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20333_1393344959.gif Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid.
Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal.
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| Quote: Egg Chasing "They literally told you.
Not that it matters to you, because players are still taking the knee so you're done with the club.'"
Can't beleive they are still doing it, I won't give the club another penny until they stop.
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icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg Fans Forum 28.08.08 Fan from Haydock
"I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count"
[quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote]
Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!"
I thanked him and went on my Merry way!
RIVERCAVE DWELLER OF THE YEAR 2015!
"The club used you last night and didn't tell the truth."
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| Quote: post "Can't beleive they are still doing it, I won't give the club another penny until they stop.'" Well thank you for supporting the club, anti racism, and a progressive society
Speak soon
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123.jpg No trees were harmed during the creation of this post.
However, a number of electrons were mildly inconvenienced.
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Saint94 wrote "Every team is in your feckin shadow....we all know." - Amen to that, brother
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| Quote: post "Can't beleive they are still doing it, I won't give the club another penny until they stop.'"
Serious question - If you're anti- the anti-racism gesture/message, does that make you a racist?
I would say "Yes", and that you're not the type of fan who will be missed.
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| Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Next season we won’t have Hastings or Gildart.
We have signed 3 unproven and relatively inexperienced Aussies and a centre for the third time with no heart.
A 9 with no discernible skills other than to tackle.
We haven’t got a clue if Field is good, bad or indifferent before you even suggest that he is a winger.
Not sure what Bateman is but he isn’t a 13.
At the moment Smilh looks nothing like a starting 6 for a Championship side let alone a SL player.
I admire your confidence but next year on paper will be worse than 2021 unless we recruit an exceptionally good coach. Hope I’m wrong.'"
And I hope I’m right but we’ll see.
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| Quote: post "Can't beleive they are still doing it, I won't give the club another penny until they stop.'"
What’s it got to do with the club?
It’s the players choice to make a statement as far as I am aware.
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| Quote: post "Can't beleive they are still doing it, I won't give the club another penny until they stop.'"
Good. Let’s hope they continue.
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| Quote: post "Can't beleive they are still doing it, I won't give the club another penny until they stop.'"
Imagine being so upset by a peaceful anti-racism/discrimination gesture that you would boycott something you enjoy.
Bizarre.
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| Quote: post "Can't beleive they are still doing it, I won't give the club another penny until they stop.'"
Cut out the personal insults, pemps
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