Exactly - it wasn't that people thought they would win it - just that they couldn't be written off in a three match play off series. Combine the experience of Saints with Warrington's history of screwing it up in the big games and it's no surprise it was close yesterday.

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I can't speak for anyone who said they would be easy beats. I certainly never said that. I have, however, consistently said they weren't our biggest threat when many people, yourself being one of them, were trotting out the "when they get their players back" line. Well, they got players back and still went out at the first hurdle. I simply don't get this deference for them based on what they've been in the past. All that matters when discussing their potential threat is what they are in the here and now and, in the here and now, they barely scraped into the 6 and were dumped out of the playoffs at the first attempt. Plucky losers is not, and was never going to be, our biggest threat as many were trying to suggest.

This is not to gloat, demean their past achievements or to suggest they won't be challenging at the top end of the table in the future. I am merely pointing out that one plucky loss doesn't, and shouldn't, change the narrative of where they stand at this present time. In fact I only mentioned it at all when you said that this one plucky loss somehow confirmed that you were right not to write them off. What it actually shows is they managed to raise their game for a one off performance that still wasn't good enough to progress any further than the first round!

Finishing 80 minutes from being 80 minutes from being 80 minutes from a trophy does not a biggest threat make.

No team can be written off in any game. That's a long way short of being "our biggest threat" as many people were saying in those exact words. The 3 remaining teams are a bigger threat than they were which is why they're in the semis.

In fairness to myself, I always put the stipulation on them being our biggest threat of them having all their players back fit and firing and they didn't have that. Hurrell out, Sironen out, Mybe out and others not looking fully fit. All excuses really but they were always going to need to get to a position of having all those guys and having built up some momentum in the last few weeks of the season. I said last week after Leigh that it looked unlikely that they could end up being that biggest threat to us but their performance level yesterday was well in advance of even where I thought they could get to pre game.

Maybe on my part it's a mental block with them, which refused to let me think they're done for (in the short term). We've had spells in the Superleague era of turning up for derbies knowing they're going to absolutely batter us and they have. We haven't had that, they pretty much always give us a hard game. When a side 'always' makes the play offs, even in their worst seasons, I think that just makes me extremely wary of them and I thought yesterday showed exactly why. Very few clubs could've played as they have this season and then turned up like that yesterday, regardless of the fact they got pipped by a Golden point drop goal.

I'm glad they're out anyway

Saints were never going to beat Wire Away, then Wigan Away then Hull KR in the final.

Bilko put a great comment on Twitter saying Saints had lost the last 11 out of 12 games against their Top Five opponents (and then only winning against Salford in golden point).

I'm convinced we'd have beaten them on Good Friday had we not been down to twelve men, despite their good start to the season.

Saints are the 6th best team this year and was proven by not getting past the first hurdle.
They wouldnt have beaten us in the semi I am sure of that if they had won that.
St Helens just arn't that good anymore,they will bounce back at some point but now they are not that good.

50 missed tackles Saints had on Saturday. Warrington had their worst performance of the season and still had enough to scrape through. I think they will upset KR on Friday I know they can't play any worse than Saturday

Intriguing game on Friday, Rovers have to be clear favourites with being at home in front of that vociferous crowd.

But you never know.

Both scratch on sky bet any one of them can win.

Some really fair and honest points made.

It was heartbreaking for us on Saturday to lose in that manner but too many errors from experienced professionals costing us. It took Wellens 60 mins and 3 tries conceded down our right side to move Percival over. I saw a stat that said 6 out of our last 7 tries had come down that side and it was blatantly obvious that Matautia is not a centre and Warringtons left edge is their strength

Fans can see it, pundits can see it but seemingly Wellens couldn't until it was too late.

In some ways it would've been easier to have been hammered as most of us expected rather than to lose in GP. I would rather have lost on Saturday though than to have been beaten by Wigan. We wouldn't have beaten Wigan so much like a dog being put down whilst ill, we have been put out of our misery.

In some ways I am relieved that this awful season is over and I can get back to having my weekends not ruined. Unfortunately for my sins I am a Utd fan as well so my misery continues!

Saints have been absolutely outstanding this season in comparison to that rabble at Old Trafford. That was an absolute disgrace yesterday.

As for 2025 the backline does look better and I personally feel we still have a couple of more signings to announce

However we need 1-2 props as a minimum, maybe a 9 and most definitely a centre.

Walmsley and Lomax are finished and it is criminal that they still have 2 years left on their contracts. Appalling squad management. It was ridiculous that Stephens wasn't on the bench on Saturday and instead Burns played for 10 mins.

A lot is going to depend on the development of the likes of Robertson, Vaughan, Dagnall etc now that they are FT and in a FT strength and conditioning environment. Robertson will undoubtedly come back a stone heavier at least for next season.

We are also hoping that Briers has a good impact on our attack.

I said exactly the same to my eldest lad yesterday. I said at least Saints put the effort in on Saturday.

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the 17 and Stephens wasn't in it. Only last week, he was the only Saints prop who made inroads in to Leigh and that was a Leigh side defending for their lives. I think you can likely add Paasi to the 'he's done' list going off this season. He looks like he'll need a big pre season to bounce back.

Spot on. The issue with Stephens is that he runs out of gas really quickly but x2 10 mins spells would've been ideal. You'd expect him to improve his fitness more and more as he is FT. He is a real prospect for sure.

I'm willing to give Paasi the benefit off the doubt and I think he needs a good pre-season. He was rushed back in many ways due to our injuries and he's never looked right.

That said him warming up in a hoodie with the hood up like it was -5 degrees doesn't exactly set a good tone.

I think the challenge is finding props at the right price. I've been commenting on the Leeds forum too, and they reckon they need 3-4 props with Oledski, and seem happy to get rid of the rest, maybe keep 1 of them as 6th choice

so if you and Leeds are both in the market for props, and there aint many around, then its a good time to be one, as its likely they'll be getting decent money thrown at them

i know many fans including our own were laughing last year, when we signed a prop every week but it has proven to have been very shrewd business so far, as we've seen out injuries and suspensions and been competitive most weeks, and we've got 2 project signings in Eseh and Chan to add to our rotation, hopefully after a good pre-season

It was extremely shrewd business by Wigan but then to be fair their succession planning has been on point for a couple of years now which is why they are the top dogs.

Personally I'd take Chris Hill for 12 months. His experience would be invaluable in bringing on the likes of Delaney and Stephens. I still think there's a player in Delaney, just needs a bit more size.

Beyond props, it feels like a few teams need plenty of players yet in various positions. Leeds and Huddersfield have new coaches and will want to do things. Hull, Leigh and Cas still have to bring players in and then we could have a new side in the league. Saints are also finalising their squad by the looks if it. It's probably a result of the IMG gradings in some cases and it's a world away from previous years when it felt like teams squads for the following year were all sorted come August/September in the current season. It'll be an interesting few months and is good for the game in a way as it can be a long off season with no news.

In terms of Wigan, we can sit back and watch it all unfold and you never know, an opportunity may open up somewhere if the club thinks it's worthwhile. A second rower is the only position that feels like we could do with an addition.

Hill probably not a bad shout, although you wont please all supporters if you did sign him. We tried it with Singleton (didnt really work) and Cooper to bring in a battle hardened prop to support the development of our young uns. a 12 month deal for Hill with +1 in clubs favour would probably get him to sign

I think Delaney needs to amend his technique and he will
Be fine.

I wanted us to sign Hill a couple of seasons ago when he was leaving Wire. He's still capable of playing decent minutes at a good level.

And he is in the right age bracket over 30s

I may be in the minority but I think Briers will be the difference for you next year. Wellens knows how to get his team to defend and clearly can motivate them. If Briers can get your attack ticking you’ll be genuine contenders again.

I’d agree Lomax is pretty much done and a shadow of the player he was but there’s life in Walmsley providing his minutes are managed properly.

I'm really interested to see what difference Briers can make. He seemed really popular at Wigan and there was a pick up in performance but it's always difficult to judge exactly what assistant coaches bring when they come in at the same time as the head man and even more so in a side with Field and French back in it and playing well. In his two most recent assistant coaches job, he's had Smith, French and Field in the Wigan side and Reynolds, Mam and Walsh in the Brisbane side. They're two sets of backs who cover pretty much all bases for you in an attack. His contribution was probably huge but I think most attacking coaches worth their salt could do something with those guys.

At Saints he will be coming in to add to the existing coaching team and to work under a head man who has been under pressure. They are getting some new backs in but guys like Welsby and Lomax will still be in those spine positions, so his contribution should be far more noticeable and easy to judge.