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Quote: BillyRhino "Settle down princess. This may come as a wee bit of a surprise to you, but for the last 10 years Wigan RL has been a bit of a joke. Remember the 70 nil tonking in the summer of 2005? That's the level of amusement you provided at Headingley. As far as the modern game, since the turn of the century it's been Leeds, Saints and Bradford. You simply were there to make up the numbers, and were not successful enough to generate any ill feeling. In fact, more comment was made when you lobbed a bog brush onto the pitch!

You took everybody by surprise last season, and played some crackin' rugby, and may well be in for a golden spell yourselves. Until you do though, all this "we are so good, everyone hates us" is a tad embarassing, and will doubtless provide us with many pish taking opportunies next season.
Did I say "we are so good, everyone hates us"?

I said, it doesn't matter if we are good/bad/indifferent, this site will always have the largest number of non-local traffic running through it. A Large number of which "Think" there on here winding us up when in fact the vast majority of us couldn't give a T055 what they think and in fact we're the ones who actually think They are quite funny!
Trust me, the 70-0 blip at the hands of Leeds was taken very seriously over here and I'm sure it provided yourselves with lots of amusement.
I just think you don't understand how the recent Whinging and complaining from Leeds is giving us quite a bit of light relief also! icon_lol.gif
As earlier poster says, Why has Gary taken until now to decide that Wrestling techniques are ruining the game?
Why, if it is a thinly veiled attack at Bluey, did he employ him?
Why did he extend his contract?
Why did he not bring up this concern of his earlier when his own team were sitting pretty as Champions?

If he had taken a nice little Moral Stance earlier, got rid of Bluey, and mentioned he wanted so called wrestling (We call it tackling in Wigan, we don't play Tag or tick & pass) techniques etc out of the game he amy have retained a bit of credence.

As it is it sounds like what it is, Cry Baby, Dummy Spitting, Whinging waffle!

You may or not believe this, but halfway through last season I posted that the single most impressive thing I'd seen regarding Wigan last year was that in spite of lots of issues regarding criticism from coaches/administrators etc they'd said Nothing! And came out with a lot of credit for that.

Seems like Leeds want to go a different way? That's up to them, good luck to em!

End of the day only 1 thing matters, Winners are grinners - Losers can make their own arrangements! icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: Wigan Stu "Super League meetings summary

Wigan won 18 Leeds 16 with 3 Draws

SL play-offs

Yeah, that kind of proves the point. I find it hilarious that some of them are still dining out on the 70-0 thing. It's no more relevant now than our 69-12 tonking of them in the Premiership Final in 1995. Now THAT was pi22-taking exercise.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Like what? the loss of revenue from ticket sales is limited as the time chosen to rebuild will have minimal impact on Leeds season, there are additional revenue streams (as well as grants) that otherwise wouldnt be applicable than for the rebuild. Not to mention the company doing the rebuild being own by a certain Mr Caddick
Yeah, as I said, some RL fans only recognise the underlings of Australian coaches.
Are you falling for Rogues myth? Leeds have a great set of youngsters coming through, Surprisingly they have Props like Ambler, Pitts and Burgess, second rower in Clarkson, Stewart, Singleton, a Centre in Watkins, and a hooker in not only McShane but Liam Hood. Its almost like it was planned.'"


If Leeds do the build in the off-season it'll be the quickest stadium redevelopment in the history of construction. There's a host of other costs associated with any of these projects that will be a call on Leeds revenue resources, including financial, legal and project management expertise, along with the affect on to-day-to operations. Anybody who thinks a building project of the scale proposed won't affect revenue in a number of different ways is naive in the extreme. That's before the impact of public sector cuts might have on the implications on the grants for capital costs.

I don't know why you keep using the fact McDermott is not from overseas as some kind of comfort blanket. My assessment of McDermott is based on his SL coaching performance so far, not his nationality - underwhelming would be my description.

The fact of how Leeds youngster have done over the past few seasons against their peers is the best benchmark - again the word underwhelming springs to mind.

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Quote: Wigan Stu "Super League meetings summary

Wigan won 18 Leeds 16 with 3 Draws

SL play-offs

Leeds have beaten us in 4 super league play-off games.

2004
2007
2008
2010

First 3 final eliminator. 4th one is Maguires freak injury caused by the Wigan team.

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Quote: Odemwingie "Leeds have beaten us in 4 super league play-off games.

2004
2007
2008
2010

First 3 final eliminator. 4th one is Maguires freak injury caused by the Wigan team.'"


Apparantly 2010 was a freak year and all results from said season should be removed from the record books... icon_wink.gif

(or I just used the stats from 2009 and forgot to add the play off result)

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Quote: BillyRhino "Settle down princess. Remember the 70 nil tonking in the summer of 2005?

Yes I do but these stack up a little better.

semi Final play off v Leeds Home Won 74-06 (Offiah 10 tries)
Challenge Cup Final v Leeds Wembley Won 26-16
Challenge Cup Final v Leeds Wembley Won 30-10
Play Off Trophy Final v Leeds MUFC Won 69-12

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Quote: lionarmour87 "since when were the 70s barren for Leeds ,the 70s were your most barren period ever and most of the 60s'"



Sorry meant the end of the 70's.
Right through the end of the 90's.

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Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "If Leeds do the build in the off-season it'll be the quickest stadium redevelopment in the history of construction. There's a host of other costs associated with any of these projects that will be a call on Leeds revenue resources, including financial, legal and project management expertise, along with the affect on to-day-to operations. Anybody who thinks a building project of the scale proposed won't affect revenue in a number of different ways is naive in the extreme. That's before the impact of public sector cuts might have on the implications on the grants for capital costs.
'"


Why would the day to day operation of the club be affected by the rebuilding of southstand, it is nowhere near the offices or shops, which are based at the other side? Why would project Management, legal and financial expertise affect revenue? Im pretty sure that Paul Caddick with his near half a billion pound construction empire wont be struggling for project management expertise for a building project of this size.

As i said, the capital costs are ring-fenced as from new revenue streams and grants (the RFU rather than the public sector) which are being put in place purely to raise the funds for it.

Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "
I don't know why you keep using the fact McDermott is not from overseas as some kind of comfort blanket. My assessment of McDermott is based on his SL coaching performance so far, not his nationality - underwhelming would be my description.'"
Ahh, yes, judging him on his work with the cheapest squad in the league. Thats obviously a good indicator.

Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "The fact of how Leeds youngster have done over the past few seasons against their peers is the best benchmark - again the word underwhelming springs to mind.'"
you mean how the likes of Watkins, Clarkson, Burgess, McShane, Ambler, Pitts, have played first team and won GFs, LSS, and appeared in CC finals rather than winning pointless youth trophies?

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Why would the day to day operation of the club be affected by the rebuilding of southstand, it is nowhere near the offices or shops, which are based at the other side? Why would project Management, legal and financial expertise affect revenue? Im pretty sure that Paul Caddick with his near half a billion pound construction empire wont be struggling for project management expertise for a building project of this size.

As i said, the capital costs are ring-fenced as from new revenue streams and grants (the RFU rather than the public sector) which are being put in place purely to raise the funds for it.

Ahh, yes, judging him on his work with the cheapest squad in the league. Thats obviously a good indicator.

you mean how the likes of Watkins, Clarkson, Burgess, McShane, Ambler, Pitts, have played first team and won GFs, LSS, and appeared in CC finals rather than winning pointless youth trophies?'"


And just to confirm my "naive" comment. It has nothing to do with where the construction is, it's to do with the non-capital costs associated with it that the club will have to pick-up, aside from the loss due to reduced attendances.

Even the Quins fans were underwhelmed by McDermott and seemed to be happy to get rid, and they are one of the most grounded set of supporters in terms of expectations. I'm sure you'll be able to show us the fact that Quins have the cheapest squad in the league. Plenty of other coaches have done better with similar squads.

Is that the likes of BJB, Watkins, Clarkson, Burgess, McShane, Ambler, Pitts etc who got tonked by Fev? Or the likes of BJB, Watkins, Clarkson, Burgess, McShane, Ambler, Pitts etc who haven't shown anything against their peers over the last few years? Just because some are first team regulars doesn't mean they are anywhere near as good as previous players through the Leeds ranks - hence my original point.

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Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "And just to confirm my "naive" comment. It has nothing to do with where the construction is, it's to do with the non-capital costs associated with it that the club will have to pick-up, aside from the loss due to reduced attendances. '"
And thank you for confirming you actually have no idea regarding the rebuild, and are simply wildly, desperately speculating. Maybe you could give us some examples of these non-capital costs and i can happily tell you why they wont apply. Then maybe you can explain why you expect a reduction in attendances and i can tell you why that is wrong.

Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "Even the Quins fans were underwhelmed by McDermott and seemed to be happy to get rid, and they are one of the most grounded set of supporters in terms of expectations. I'm sure you'll be able to show us the fact that Quins have the cheapest squad in the league. Plenty of other coaches have done better with similar squads.'"
Well we will see wont we.

Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "Is that the likes of BJB, Watkins, Clarkson, Burgess, McShane, Ambler, Pitts etc who got tonked by Fev? Or the likes of BJB, Watkins, Clarkson, Burgess, McShane, Ambler, Pitts etc who haven't shown anything against their peers over the last few years? Just because some are first team regulars doesn't mean they are anywhere near as good as previous players through the Leeds ranks - hence my original point.'"
yes, the fact they are first team regulars in a team which has won a LSS, GF and got to a CC final and final eliminator in the past two years, some have won 3 GFs by the age of 24, definitely doesnt mean they are better than players who have less first team experience in less successful squads after all, some of Wigans reserves won some youth competitions.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "And thank you for confirming you actually have no idea regarding the rebuild, and are simply wildly, desperately speculating, maybe you could give us some examples of these non-capital costs and i can happily tell you why they wont apply. Then maybe you can explain why you expect a reduction in attendances and i can tell you why that is wrong. '"


You'd better tell Hetherington about all this money you've got in grants which won't effect Leeds finances - he obviously doesn't know about it.

Quote: SmokeyTA ""We've worked hard over the years to get the club into a debt-free position and if we are to embark on this, we've got to have a knowledge that we can borrow the money and that we've got the finances to pay it back."'"
We'd better add interest payments to the list. Looks like I know considerably more than you. 4.60791015625:10
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