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I said from day 1 Williams is a hooker.

I still think that is the case.

Hopefully a new coach will turn his quickly plummeting career around.

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I must admit ... this is the first time in 2018 that I've felt the same way I did at the end of 2017: namely that we went so meekly and shamelessly to the slaughter that heads should quite genuinely roll.

I blame the players more than the coach. They were casual, uninterested, de-energised, and made every single conceivable error it's possible to make in a match (either that, or they just didn't do anything at all - like our invisible marquee men). That last try they allowed Warrington to walk in unopposed was the final, undeniable proof of it.

But it would be ridiculous to believe that SW's decision to go hasn't had a knock-on effect; it's almost as though the players are sulking about it and there's been a collective decision to punish the club by underperforming ... which should be reflected at contract renegotiation time.

Shaun Wane's already going, so whether we like it or not (and I appreciate there are fans in both camps), the optimum time for a big clear-out is upon us. Whether that will happen, I don't know. But that farce was such a throwback to last year that all my concerns and worries that this particular regime has jaded beyond repair have been reignited.

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Said this at the game - The players look like they no longer care about anything Wane has to say. After all, what can he do about it and he's doing one anyway.

As for today's game, I felt that Bateman, Tautai, Marshall and Davies (when he was given the ball - which was rarely) did OK. The rest were just varying degrees of abysmal.

One exception - Escare. Any idea why he only seemed to last about 10 minutes?

S Tomkins - Couple of decent kicks early on, then a rapid slide in to mediocrity (at best), and still scared to death of actually running the ball in and having to take a tackle. He'd rather throw a 20m ball across our own try-line than take that tackle.
Gildart - Offered nothing, other than gifting Wire a try by piddling about and running sideways across his own try-line.
Williams - Mediocre player (right now) with just 2 "tricks". The show-and-go that never actually goes, as everyone knows it's coming, and the "Oh shït, I don't know what to do, so I'll kick it on the 3rd tackle".
Powell - At best an average hooker. Never a half-back at this level (possibly at any level)
Flower - Couple of runs, but nothing even close to the level that was expected today.
Clubb - See Flower
Leuluai - Getting old, slowing down. Still puts in a couple of big hits and makes a couple of decent passes, but no longer up to doing a full shift at hooker.
J Tomkins - Absolutely anonymous. Only noticed him when he fumbled the ball and managed to recover it before it hit the deck. RU has ruined him.
Farrell - Real "off" game today. Left to do the kicking for us, due to headless-chickenism by our so-called leaders on the pitch. Offered little.
Isa - Wet blanket all game. No energy, no go-forward, little effort at all

All-in-all it looked like a bunch of lads who can no longer be d.

I pray to the small gods that we don't let Winder take over as Head Coach, but if the last couple of games (since Wane's announcement) are anything to go by, we couldn't do any worse by letting him take over until the end of the season (with the added bonus that I believe that it will show IFL just how much of a mistake it would be to appoint him full-time - or it would force me to eat my words - Either way works for me, frankly).

For me, Shaun Wane should offer to walk now, as he's clearly lost the dressing room.

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Clubb and Flower were knackered after about 12 minutes, thought we had really mobile props and the fittest players in the league?

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Quote: MattyB "
Most SL teams would have beaten us today.'"


Every SL team would have beaten us today - along with the top half of the Championship.

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Quote: Wigg'n "Clubb and Flower were knackered after about 12 minutes, thought we had really mobile props and the fittest players in the league?'"


I didn’t notice any of our forwards today. They were completely and utterly outplayed and outclassed by Warringtons pack

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Quote: 100% Warrior "I didn’t notice any of our forwards today. They were completely and utterly outplayed and outclassed by Warringtons pack'"


We were completely bullied right across the park - out team is far too small. This is something Radlinski mentioned at the start of 2014 and he's done absolutely nothing about it. When Wane goes Radlinski needs to follow him because our recruitment over the last few years has been shocking and too much of our cap is tied up in too many returning players who haven't delivered.

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Quote: Wigg'n "Clubb and Flower were knackered after about 12 minutes, thought we had really mobile props and the fittest players in the league?'"


Compare that to Hill who did 57 mins, had an 8 min breather and then returned for the last 15 mins.

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Quote: Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy "We were completely bullied right across the park - out team is far too small. This is something Radlinski mentioned at the start of 2014 and he's done absolutely nothing about it. When Wane goes Radlinski needs to follow him because our recruitment over the last few years has been shocking and too much of our cap is tied up in too many returning players who haven't delivered.'"


Direct quote from Wane

"I'm the most stubborn man in the world. (Owner and chairman) Ian Lenagan and (executive director) Kris Radlinski have always been loyal to me and I pick my own players. If I want a player, they say 'great' and they go and get them for me.

He was given the rule of the roost and got it badly wrong, and yes Radlinski is compliant and even though I am a big fan of IL, he took his eye off the rugby ball when furthering his association with the round ball.

He needs to act quickly now.

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Someone had better ring Brian Noble right now

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Quote: Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy "Every SL team would have beaten us today - along with the top half of the Championship.'"


Looking forward to the now annual drubbing at the hands of Wakefield Thursday night icon_surprised.gifops:
Anyone take 20 start ?

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Quote: apollosghost "Looking forward to the now annual drubbing at the hands of Wakefield Thursday night And the obligatory "get sacked after the Wakefield defeat"

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Quote: Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy "We were completely bullied right across the park - out team is far too small. This is something Radlinski mentioned at the start of 2014 and he's done absolutely nothing about it. When Wane goes Radlinski needs to follow him because our recruitment over the last few years has been shocking and too much of our cap is tied up in too many returning players who haven't delivered.'"

I couldn’t agree more, thecrecruitment is shocking. The problem is leneghan, Radlinski & Wane want a team full of wiganers which is fine however as a supporter if I want to watch a team of wiganers then I’ll go watch st pats or rose bridge. When I watch Wigan Warriors I expect to see the best homegrown talent plus the best of whatever else is available whether they be Australians, kiwis or yorkshiremen.

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Quote: hatty "I couldn’t agree more, thecrecruitment is shocking. The problem is leneghan, Radlinski & Wane want a team full of wiganers which is fine however as a supporter if I want to watch a team of wiganers then I’ll go watch st pats or rose bridge. When I watch Wigan Warriors I expect to see the best homegrown talent plus the best of whatever else is available whether they be Australians, kiwis or yorkshiremen.'"


WANE wanted a team full of Wiganers, KR & IL gave Wane as much as he wanted.

WANE is at fault for all the players coming back because he is very insular, WANE is at fault for our demise.

KR is compliant in that and IL took his eye off the ball and gave WANE far too much power at the club has resulted in this situation.

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Quote: Ziggy Stardust "WANE wanted a team full of Wiganers, KR & IL gave Wane as much as he wanted.

WANE is at fault for all the players coming back because he is very insular, WANE is at fault for our demise.

KR is compliant in that and IL took his eye off the ball and gave WANE far too much power at the club has resulted in this situation.'"

So like I said, Leneghan, Radlinski & Wane are at fault

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