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| Quote ="Stu M"No I agree that financially it wouldn't be a game changer. My point was more about loyalty. I know it’s a short career and they don't get what footballers earn etc but by and large we've managed to keep our top players over the years. Roby was a prime example of someone who could've gone to Australia and didn't. We've managed to keep the likes of Lomax and Walmsley for all their career when I would imagine there would've been interest in both when they were younger.'"
You’ve been lucky that you haven’t been raided for your talent. Hopefully it doesn’t continue for you. I imagine Welsby will be next to go. We’ve had plenty of years were we’ve lost players to the NRL. I think this is the first we haven’t lost a player.
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| There's a report going around today that Woolf is looking towards Superleague to rebuild the Dolphins pack for 2026, once guys like Kafusi and Bromwich retire. You'd be surprised if he isn't looking at Saints to see if guys like Lees and Knowles fancy it. There might be that element of not wanting to do too much damage to his old club but he seems a guy who is pretty ruthless and focused on success, so I'm not sure that'll hold him back.
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| Quote ="WWste"You’ve been lucky that you haven’t been raided for your talent. Hopefully it doesn’t continue for you. I imagine Welsby will be next to go. We’ve had plenty of years were we’ve lost players to the NRL. I think this is the first we haven’t lost a player.'"
yeah I can see Welsby going within a couple of years. However he is contracted for another 3 seasons so there would have to be a transfer fee paid.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"There's a report going around today that Woolf is looking towards Superleague to rebuild the Dolphins pack for 2026, once guys like Kafusi and Bromwich retire. You'd be surprised if he isn't looking at Saints to see if guys like Lees and Knowles fancy it. There might be that element of not wanting to do too much damage to his old club but he seems a guy who is pretty ruthless and focused on success, so I'm not sure that'll hold him back.'"
You're still holding a grudge against Woolf for not releasing Saints players for internationals
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| Quote ="Stu M"No I agree that financially it wouldn't be a game changer. My point was more about loyalty. I know its a short career and they don't get what footballers earn etc but by and large we've managed to keep our top players over the years. Roby was a prime example of someone who could've gone to Australia and didn't. We've managed to keep the likes of Lomax and Walmsley for all their career when I would imagine there would've been interest in both when they were younger.'"
i agree you've done well to retain your talent in the main. I guess some players are homebirds and i'd put Liam Farrell and Lockers into that category, where like Roby they probably could have gone abroad
with Lomax, you were probably lucky (although unlucky as he was injured) that we seemed to be quite fragile at a younger age, and he's developed some resilience as he's gotten older. There's no doubt he's talented but could probably have played far more games for you
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| I think geography is a big protective factor for SL. If the NRL was played in Europe I think the floodgates would have opened by now but it's a huge move to go and live in Australia. From personal experience, living somewhere and being a tourist somewhere are two very different things. It'll also be interesting to see how the new franchise in PNG will affect the numbers leaving SL - on one hand living in a compound in PNG does not sound appealing but the tax exemptions will definitely appeal to some.
Saints may have a couple of middles closer to the end of their contract but from a Wigan standpoint it would surprise me if Ethan Havard didn't end up there at some point.
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| Quote ="Stu M"No I agree that financially it wouldn't be a game changer. My point was more about loyalty. I know its a short career and they don't get what footballers earn etc but by and large we've managed to keep our top players over the years. Roby was a prime example of someone who could've gone to Australia and didn't. We've managed to keep the likes of Lomax and Walmsley for all their career when I would imagine there would've been interest in both when they were younger.'"
Times are changing though, the new NRL franchise in 2028 will have a big impact on SL. The Aussies will already be talking to agents about deals. Unless Saints are going to come up with the money players are going to go. There is no way they can compete with the NRL unless they maximise the marquee rule and it doesn’t look as though the club has much appetite for that. Welsby will definitely go to the NRL, I expect Lees to go and young Delaney will probably have an offer on the table.
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| Quote ="Stu M"yeah I can see Welsby going within a couple of years. However he is contracted for another 3 seasons so there would have to be a transfer fee paid.'"
Unless there is a break clause in his contract.
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| Quote ="MadDogg"I think geography is a big protective factor for SL. If the NRL was played in Europe I think the floodgates would have opened by now but it's a huge move to go and live in Australia. From personal experience, living somewhere and being a tourist somewhere are two very different things. It'll also be interesting to see how the new franchise in PNG will affect the numbers leaving SL - on one hand living in a compound in PNG does not sound appealing but the tax exemptions will definitely appeal to some.
Saints may have a couple of middles closer to the end of their contract but from a Wigan standpoint it would surprise me if Ethan Havard didn't end up there at some point.'"
With my Wigan hat on I hope Havard stays here for his career but if I take it off and look at where he is at currently, I think he should go and test himself. He has broken in to the England side now and I think another season here with Wigan would take him to 25 years old and he would have 6 or 7 seasons of first team rugby at the back of him. As much as it always hurts seeing them walk out of the door, I think the lads would be daft not to go if it's something they have an ambition to do and that's the case for them all, including non Wigan players like Welsby, Lees, Lewis etc.
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| Quote ="Stu M"No I agree that financially it wouldn't be a game changer. My point was more about loyalty. I know its a short career and they don't get what footballers earn etc but by and large we've managed to keep our top players over the years. Roby was a prime example of someone who could've gone to Australia and didn't. We've managed to keep the likes of Lomax and Walmsley for all their career when I would imagine there would've been interest in both when they were younger.'"
another one on testimonials as i've just seen a picture of Josh Charnley at one of his testimonial do's
are there 2 ways it can be granted ie Club as with Knowles (or an other player who stays loyal to an individual club) or RFL that i'm assuming has granted Charnley one, which is slightly stranger given he buggered off to rugby union too, but still has more than 10 years service to RL?
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"With my Wigan hat on I hope Havard stays here for his career but if I take it off and look at where he is at currently, I think he should go and test himself. He has broken in to the England side now and I think another season here with Wigan would take him to 25 years old and he would have 6 or 7 seasons of first team rugby at the back of him. As much as it always hurts seeing them walk out of the door, I think the lads would be daft not to go if it's something they have an ambition to do and that's the case for them all, including non Wigan players like Welsby, Lees, Lewis etc.'"
agree with this on the basis that they dont s*** on their current club
KPP was the last to leave Wigan when we knew in advance, and he handled himself ideally for the situation. He has aspirations, let the club know, signed for Newcastle, turned up week in, week out whilst still wearing the cherry and white, and left on good terms. As fans, thats all we can ask if someone is leaving for a different challenge. Give their all for the club, and the fans will back them
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I have no issue with it providing 1) they give the club that trained and developed them some good service at 1st team level first (5 years as a ballpark figure) and 2) they don't break a contract or kick up a fuss if the club doesn't allow it.
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The salaries on offer in PNG will be staggering given they are tax free. If I was a British player my CV would be in the post.
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This could lend some weight to the Brierley rumour, not sure it is a good move for him though as he would surely only assume the position of Hampshire and be seen as back up. Not a clue how we would be fitting him under the Salary cap also.
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This could lend some weight to the Brierley rumour, not sure it is a good move for him though as he would surely only assume the position of Hampshire and be seen as back up. Not a clue how we would be fitting him under the Salary cap also.
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| Thought when I saw the first mention of rumours regarding Brierley that we might sign him for a fee and immediately loan him back to Salford. No doubt we'd have to pay a fee and a part of his salary with Salford paying a lesser part than now.
If we got an injury to Field then Brierley is a quality and experienced replacement.
It always seems to be sods law that if a player in a position gets an injury someone playing a similar position will get an injury or suspension. Obviously a team only has one full back but if, say, Eckersley starts playing for a injured back then another three-quarter will be missing games for some reason.
If Brierley's signing did go ahead then the club are covering themselves with experienced and reserve team players. A very good place to be.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Thought when I saw the first mention of rumours regarding Brierley that we might sign him for a fee and immediately loan him back to Salford. No doubt we'd have to pay a fee and a part of his salary with Salford paying a lesser part than now.
If we got an injury to Field then Brierley is a quality and experienced replacement.
It always seems to be sods law that if a player in a position gets an injury someone playing a similar position will get an injury or suspension. Obviously a team only has one full back but if, say, Eckersley starts playing for a injured back then another three-quarter will be missing games for some reason.
If Brierley's signing did go ahead then the club are covering themselves with experienced and reserve team players. A very good place to be.'"
Completely disagree.
If Field gets injured French or Eckersley goes to 1.
If French goes then Farrimond gets a start in the halves.
If Eckerskey goes he gets game time in SL.
We don’t need Brierley he doesn’t improve our squad in any way.
Would be a poor signing and a rumour I see no truth in.
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| Quote ="jonh"Completely disagree.
If Field gets injured French or Eckersley goes to 1.
If French goes then Farrimond gets a start in the halves.
If Eckerskey goes he gets game time in SL.
We don’t need Brierley he doesn’t improve our squad in any way.
Would be a poor signing and a rumour I see no truth in.'"
Farrimond and Smith together in my opinion won’t work. Both are a number 7 and won’t complement each other as they both play the same game. I don’t think currently we have an alternative to French at 6 in the squad other than a relatively unproven Keighran. Having Brierley in the squad would allow Field as another alternative.
Eckersley for a prolonged period at 1 seriously???? I like Eckersley but he isn’t the fleet footed roaming FB that we’ve become accustomed to in last few years and he would reduce our attacking options compared to Field or French. Obviously Brierley isn’t a French or a Field but he does play a similar style of play and has a decent level of pace over the initial 15 or 20 yards.
Brierley replacing Hampshire isn’t an improvement??
I don’t think the Brierley rumour is true due primarily to SC so to a large degree it's probably irrelevant but if it was possible then he’d be a decent signing. I wouldn’t lose any sleep if we didn’t sign him however, if we could fit him within the SC then I’d consider him an astute signing with our current first team squad.
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I hope not. The asset strippers are circling Salford and it is not a good look.
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| Quote ="jonh"Completely disagree.
If Field gets injured French or Eckersley goes to 1.
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If Eckerskey goes he gets game time in SL.
We don’t need Brierley he doesn’t improve our squad in any way.
Would be a poor signing and a rumour I see no truth in.'"
Eckersley and Farrimond are all quality and the future of our club.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Farrimond and Smith together in my opinion won’t work. Both are a number 7 and won’t complement each other as they both play the same game. I don’t think currently we have an alternative to French at 6 in the squad other than a relatively unproven Keighran. Having Brierley in the squad would allow Field as another alternative.
Eckersley for a prolonged period at 1 seriously???? I like Eckersley but he isn’t the fleet footed roaming FB that we’ve become accustomed to in last few years and he would reduce our attacking options compared to Field or French. Obviously Brierley isn’t a French or a Field but he does play a similar style of play and has a decent level of pace over the initial 15 or 20 yards.
Brierley replacing Hampshire isn’t an improvement??
I don’t think the Brierley rumour is true due primarily to SC so to a large degree it's probably irrelevant but if it was possible then he’d be a decent signing. I wouldn’t lose any sleep if we didn’t sign him however, if we could fit him within the SC then I’d consider him an astute signing with our current first team squad.'"
I thought the same initially re Farrimond and Smith but was comfortable in admitting i was wrong last year when it happened.
For me a spine of
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Plus it means Farrimond is getting what he needs which is games as first back up.
Would be a pointless and short sighted signing for mine.
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| Quote ="jonh"I thought the same initially re Farrimond and Smith but was comfortable in admitting i was wrong last year when it happened.
For me a spine of
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Plus it means Farrimond is getting what he needs which is games as first back up.
Would be a pointless and short sighted signing for mine.'"
As I said Jon SC makes the signing of Brierley a bit of a it’s never going to happen. It will be interesting to see how Farrimond develops as currently I think both French and Smith are on long term contracts. Something at some point within the next two years will have to give or Farrimond will probably feel that he has to move on as for me he is an organising 7. It’s a nice position to be in and I’ve just got a feeling that Farrimond may just be one of those players who come along once in a generation. Currently for me Smith is the glue of the team and he could actually kick on and even improve his his all round game even further. Interesting times and I’m just going to enjoy the ride.
Have you seen much of Drachenberg? I’ve only seen him once and he looks a lad with lots of raw potential and hopefully could kick on as a future FB for us. He seems to be under the radar at the moment.
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