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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Harry Robertson will play at the top end of Super League and/or the NRL for the next 10 years and will play for England in the next 2-3 years. Absolutely certain of that.

To suggest he doesn’t have huge potential is complete and utter biased nonsense I’m afraid. Yes he’s dropped a few kicks but he’s also had some great moments in attack and won MOM in our most recent game. If Saints fans were saying Farrimond hasn’t shown potential you’d be saying the same thing.

As for Rush’s comment, we’ve seen Stephens and Robertson break through this year, academy international George Whitby is about to and then there’s the likes of Dagnall, Sambou, Roberts, Cowen to come. Our academy side has also just finished top of the league for the 3rd consecutive year. I think it’s a decent generation to be fair.'"


Yeah you had the same reaction at the beginning of the season when I said Hull KR would be closer to a trophy than St Helens. Not so funny now is it?

It isn't biased at all. Robertson may well come good and every young full back looks good running the ball out but he has made more mistakes than had positive influences on any of the games so far. Anyone who suggests otherwise is complete and utter biased nonsense I'm afraid

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Quote: Cherry_Warrior "Yeah you had the same reaction at the beginning of the season when I said Hull KR would be closer to a trophy than St Helens. Not so funny now is it?

It isn't biased at all. Robertson may well come good and every young full back looks good running the ball out but he has made more mistakes than had positive influences on any of the games so far. Anyone who suggests otherwise is complete and utter biased nonsense I'm afraid'"


Did I? Me personally?

Again you're talking complete rubbish on Robertson. Just another example of stubborn bias and refusal to say anything positive about a rival. Extremely small minded approach. An 18 year old kid scoring a try and getting MOM last week, getting 3 assists in 1 game a couple of weeks before plus creating the winning moment against Salford. But yeah, no signs of potential.

When he is one of the leading players in the comp and playing for England in a couple of years we will come back to this and talk about him showing no potential.

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Did I? Me personally?

Again you're talking complete rubbish on Robertson. Just another example of stubborn bias and refusal to say anything positive about a rival. Extremely small minded approach. An 18 year old kid scoring a try and getting MOM last week, getting 3 assists in 1 game a couple of weeks before plus creating the winning moment against Salford. But yeah, no signs of potential.

When he is one of the leading players in the comp and playing for England in a couple of years we will come back to this and talk about him showing no potential.'"


To be fair YG that game was so poor last week that you could have got the MOM award icon_smile.gif Anyway, the lad does have potential but where is he going to fit in over the next couple of seasons?

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Quote: Zig "To be fair YG that game was so poor last week that you could have got the MOM award
I would imagine that similar to when Welsby came through, he will get 5-10 games across the backline next season, injuries permitting

I'm hoping that a good off season will see him come back having putting on some weight and much stronger because he really is skinny and this isn't helping him at this level.

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Yeah Stu has nailed it.

I think he’ll effectively be next in line if any of our 1,6,7 are injured and may even get time at centre like Welsby did.

At 18 it’s not critical he has a starting shirt yet. He’ll work his way through and find his place in good time.

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Yeah Stu has nailed it.

I think he’ll effectively be next in line if any of our 1,6,7 are injured and may even get time at centre like Welsby did.

At 18 it’s not critical he has a starting shirt yet. He’ll work his way through and find his place in good time.'"


Bit of weight on him, I think he could kill it at centre with his footwork.

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Yeah Stu has nailed it.

I think he’ll effectively be next in line if any of our 1,6,7 are injured and may even get time at centre like Welsby did.

At 18 it’s not critical he has a starting shirt yet. He’ll work his way through and find his place in good time.'"


It’s not critical. It will be interesting who plays 1and 6 next season. If I was selecting the team, Welsby would be full back, I think the jury is out regarding Sailors defence. Obviously, if 1,6, and 7 play well, and stay fit, then the lad is going to either play a lot of his rugby in the reserves or on loan.

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Quote: Zig "It’s not critical. It will be interesting who plays 1and 6 next season. If I was selecting the team, Welsby would be full back, I think the jury is out regarding Sailors defence. Obviously, if 1,6, and 7 play well, and stay fit, then the lad is going to either play a lot of his rugby in the reserves or on loan.'"


A big reason I say it’s not critical is when you look at Jack Welsby’s trajectory as a direct comparison. He made 1 performance in his debut year at the same age, followed by 11 the next. Robertson will probably surpass 11 this year so he’s already ahead of where Welsby was.

If our back line next year at full strength is:

Welsby/Sailor
Feldt
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Welsby/Sailor
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Then Robertson could be next in line for any of 1,6,7 or even centre and he will pick up plenty experience and appearances covering various positions like Welsby did. Let's not forget Welsby's most famous moment in a Saints shirt actually came from him playing left centre that night! So I am not worried about Robertson having to have a starting spot nailed down just yet. He can comfortably rack up double figures again whilst playing understudy next season. He’ll still only be 19 at that point.

I’m confident the club will feed him in the right way for the long term good.

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Prediction - St Helens will go to Warrington in the playoffs and win. Wigan v St Helens in the semi finals, Hull KR v Leigh in the other one.

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Quote: MadDogg "Prediction - St Helens will go to Warrington in the playoffs and win. Wigan v St Helens in the semi finals, Hull KR v Leigh in the other one.'"



After watching today's Wire v Saints game I can't see Saints beating them anywhere, home, away or neutral.
I do think Leigh at home will beat HKR next week.

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Quote: MadDogg "Prediction - St Helens will go to Warrington in the playoffs and win. Wigan v St Helens in the semi finals, Hull KR v Leigh in the other one.'"


All comes down to Leigh v Saints - now Saints are almost full strength it could mean they play Salford at home in the playoffs.

Either way I'm convinced it will end up with a Wigan v Saints semi final.

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "A big reason I say it’s not critical is when you look at Jack Welsby’s trajectory as a direct comparison. He made 1 performance in his debut year at the same age, followed by 11 the next. Robertson will probably surpass 11 this year so he’s already ahead of where Welsby was.

If our back line next year at full strength is

I am informed that Welsby is not a happy bunny at Saints.

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Quote: Zig "I am informed that Welsby is not a happy bunny at Saints.'"


Stories like that always seem to appear when sides have an iffy season. In terms of Welsby, he's had a funny season really. He's never quite looked at his best but is good enough to still have major impacts on games. It's not a Saints/Wigan thing to say that I think he should've gone to the NRL. He's achieved everything in this country now and a move out of his comfort zone can help him to keep progressing. Everyone is different and he may well be a home bird but he surely regrets it in later life if he doesn't go and see how he gets on.

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Quote: NickyKiss "Stories like that always seem to appear when sides have an iffy season. In terms of Welsby, he's had a funny season really. He's never quite looked at his best but is good enough to still have major impacts on games. It's not a Saints/Wigan thing to say that I think he should've gone to the NRL. He's achieved everything in this country now and a move out of his comfort zone can help him to keep progressing. Everyone is different and he may well be a home bird but he surely regrets it in later life if he doesn't go and see how he gets on.'"




He’s allegedly had a bust up with some of the senior players.

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Quote: Zig "He’s allegedly had a bust up with some of the senior players.'"


He probably has. Things like this happen at a lot of clubs. Look at Utd- Keane didn’t speak to Giggs for 6 months, didn’t speak to Sheringham or Schmeichel. Sheringham and Cole didn’t utter a word to each other for years.

Welsby certainly looked happy talking about the departing players on the Saints goodbye videos and singing the team song last night.

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