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| Quote: Zig "I think that Saints may need to win two games to make the six.'"
From what I can see that would only be the case if Catalans beat Salford and Salford then beat us in the final week. One win would definitely see them above Leeds.
The Leigh v Saints game will likely determine which of the two teams finish higher.
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| Quote: MadDogg "From what I can see that would only be the case if Catalans beat Salford and Salford then beat us in the final week. One win would definitely see them above Leeds.
The Leigh v Saints game will likely determine which of the two teams finish higher.'"
Spot on.
The only bright spot is that by the Cas game and judging by the injury timelines we’ll have Dodd, Clark, Sironen, Percival and maybe Welsby back plus Makinson will have served his ban
Although with the way this season is going with injuries we’ll probably have picked up another 5 before then.
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| Quote: MadDogg "From what I can see that would only be the case if Catalans beat Salford and Salford then beat us in the final week. One win would definitely see them above Leeds.
The Leigh v Saints game will likely determine which of the two teams finish higher.'"
That’s the logical outcome but mathematically not factual. Catalans will finish on 32 points if they beat Salford, Hull and London. Salford can accumulate 34 points with three wins. Leigh can finish on 33 points and Leeds 32. I agree it is a tall order to expect all those things to happen. I think that Saints will definitely need two wins to get a home tie which necessitates winning at Leigh and as I said they ‘may’ need to win two to make the six. If they play like yesterday then they are doomed.
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| Quote: Zig "That’s the logical outcome but mathematically not factual. Catalans will finish on 32 points if they beat Salford, Hull and London. Salford can accumulate 34 points with three wins. Leigh can finish on 33 points and Leeds 32. I agree it is a tall order to expect all those things to happen. I think that Saints will definitely need two wins to get a home tie which necessitates winning at Leigh and as I said they ‘may’ need to win two to make the six. If they play like yesterday then they are doomed.'"
How can all those things happen? Salford can't beat Catalans at the same time as Catalans beat Salford?
One win should enough bearing in mind all the permutations
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| Copied and pasted from RedVee and this is the best explanation for me......
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Been going through the fixtures to work out all the possibilities.
Current table:
Saints 28
Salford 28
Leigh 27
Catalans 26
Leeds 26
Fixtures: (my lousy predictions in brackets)
SAINTS
Wire A (L)
Cas H (W)
Leigh A (L)
SALFORD
Catalans H (W)
Hull FC A (W)
Wigan A (L)
LEIGH
Cas A (W)
Hull KR H (L)
Saints H (W)
CATALANS
Salford A (L)
London H (W)
Hull FC A (W)
LEEDS
Hull FC H (W)
Wigan A (L)
Hull KR A (L)
Would leave the final table:
Salford 32
Leigh 31
Saints 30
Catalans 30
Leeds 28
Boldly assuming a win against Cas, it would be very unlikely that we miss the playoffs given Leeds' run-in and Catalans inferior points difference.
Leigh away a huge game for them as a defeat could well see them drop out. A win for us would put us in 4th and give us another home game, and a loss would mean Warrington away first up.
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| Quote: Stu M "Copied and pasted from RedVee and this is the best explanation for me......
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Been going through the fixtures to work out all the possibilities.
Current table
Completely agree with all of that. The biggest doubt is Salford v Catalans - Cats looks decent in the first half against Wigan. If they're able to take a risk on Tomkins, Mcilorum, Abdul etc then this is the game to do it.
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| I'm just desperate for us to continue our proud record of being the only team to make the play offs every season in SL. I have zero expectations on us getting past Week 1 but at least we can preserve a record.
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| Quote: Zig "That’s the logical outcome but mathematically not factual. Catalans will finish on 32 points if they beat Salford, Hull and London. Salford can accumulate 34 points with three wins. Leigh can finish on 33 points and Leeds 32. I agree it is a tall order to expect all those things to happen.'"
It's not just a tall order - it's impossible as Salford play Catalans this week.
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| Saints will win it from 6th scoring a grand total off 11 points in the process
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| Quote: The Reaper "It's just becoming a chore to watch now. I'd love to know what percentage of games in SL this year have seen at least 1 card. Will be way over 50% in my estimation. They're whats deciding half of these games, completely change momentum etc. Its ruining the integrity of the comp at this point
Fwiw whilst I thought Vaughans last night was probably correct by the letter of the current rules (even though I don't like it), this one I'm not even sure you can say that. The ref says its a direct shoulder to the head but it doesn't look like that to me, looks like he's got him with the arm'"
You cannot really know that for sure without factoring in the final results and what the score was when the card was issued.
There are plenty of games were the cards don't make a difference to the final result.
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| Quote: nathan_rugby "You cannot really know that for sure without factoring in the final results and what the score was when the card was issued.
There are plenty of games were the cards don't make a difference to the final result.'"
That’s not really the point though. Yes, the team losing a player may have lost even with 13, or the team losing a player may overcome and win anyway. What’s undeniable in every single case though is it completely changes the dynamic and momentum of the game
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| Quote: Stu M "Copied and pasted from RedVee and this is the best explanation for me......
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Been going through the fixtures to work out all the possibilities.
Current table
For what it is worth I think Saints will make the top 6 but my point still stands that mathematically one win doesn’t guarantee Saints a playoff spot. If your predictions are correct then a Saints trip to Warrington would be very tasty. Also, I wouldn’t put it past Wigan or HKR to falter next week as this Friday’s fixture is akin to a GF game and it can be extremely challenging to perform the week after such a big game.
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| Quote: Stu M "It seems like we are in advanced negotiations with Lewis Murphy...
And Dagnall will be the starting winger in a couple of years (England Academy winger/centre) who like a few of the others is not quite ready (as shown in our last few performances where it has literally been men against boys)'"
Murphy confirmed now on a 2 year deal
Well Well Well RobRiches- its almost like I do have sources after all....posted this before the media started to, check the date d**k head
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| Much improved backline for 25
1.Sailor 2.Feldt 3.Karapani 4.Percival 5.Murphy 6.Welsby 7.Lomax
Still think there is plenty of work to do on that pack but with Briers coming too should see an upturn in your attack.
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| Quote: Stu M "Murphy confirmed now on a 2 year deal
Well Well Well RobRiches- its almost like I do have sources after all....posted this before the media started to, check the date d**k head'"
Great signing if he's got over that bad injury, got to admit I've seen nothing of him since he went to Oz but he looked a terrific young player at Wakey
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