Yeah, forwards seem very average apart from Flower (Lima bye bye) who really impressed me..hope we keep hold of him, also would have liked to have seen dudson as he has always impressed me first team making yards.

If you were a 1500 metre runner and you led the field for 3 laps(1200mtrs) and then you were caught and finally overtaken by other runners, would you say you were the best...i think not..and Wigan should be the best , unfortunately Shaun Wane is not the man to take them over the finishing line in 1st Place, he may be able to take us to within but we ned someone who can finish the race in the lead

To be fair to him he outplayed nearly all his team mates in the 1st half. Played his heart out and done us proud I think. Made a couple of big-ish mistakes but then we've recently seen Sam make some clangers.

Murphy seemed to eager to take the ball on the full for me but had he let it bounce and it hurtled back towards the Leeds side then he'd have been ridiculed then too. I feel sorry for him tonight.

Sam Tomkins had an howler in the CC semi and that is why leeds beat us

So on one thread it's Wanes fault. On another it's Murphy's and now you're saying, not once but twice, that Sam is useless?

I gave facebook up because too many people talk crap, yet here I am still posting on here.

with maguire in charge you would have won that game tonight.

the problem is there are not many coaches of his quality around.

It was Wanes fault......he takes the plaudits ,he should carry the can, i mentioned that Sam f***** up in the CC semi to highlight that it wasn't down to Murphy that we lost tonight

Leeds played a team that had won 7 on the bounce. They were in their best form. Catalans pretty much forfitted the game against wigan. It wasn't a hard game for them because they didn't play hard, they bent over and got the lube out.

I think we all agree about the downfalls of the current system but the fact is, if you don't perform and win the games required you don't deserve to be at old trafford. Leeds finished top uner the current system in 09 and had no problems, because they performed in, and won the games they needed to. Ditto wigan in 2010. Last year and this year wigan and warrington just came up short in the crunch.

HEAR HEAR

Just like we did against Saints last year in the play off, oh hold on....

So finishing 5th, a team would have to win 3 to make the final. Leeds have won 3 games.

They would have to win all 3 away from home and play a team finishing above them each time. Leeds have won 2 away from home against a team above them.

So the main difference between that system and this is that first game at home. So yes, the current system is easier because of the first game but it's not the earth shattering difference that it's made out to be and certainly still very tough.