Well said.

Madge really needs to decide on who is the 1, 6, 7 & 9 and stick with it. The constant chopping and changing and rejiging of the team when McIllorum goes off is so disruptive and is reflected in our disjointed attack. No one seems to know the calls or putting their hand up to lead the play, when Finch tries he gets booed, but when Sam makes half a yard and always goes himself back on the inside and slips, nobody seems to get worked up?

We are currently missing Riddell/Deacon to the point it could ruin our season.

I agree 100%. Someone tell Madge

Seriously though with Sam at 1 you could see the Les Cats defence get ready for him running form deep on the right. Every time.

We have been found out with regards to high bombs to our wingers / full back and the opposition have taken full advantage:

Tonight - Goulding.
Leeds - Tomkins.
Wire - Charnley.
Hudds - Roberts.
Salford - Tomkins.

Dave lister wtf??? your team are a bunch of charity cases so gtfo

Finch needs to play a few weeks in the 21's get his fitness up and come back 3-4 tries he let in tonight with lazy defending

I think Ryan King is the winger you're thinking of. Charnley would be next in line I think but there's no reason why King shouldn't get a call up. If you don't play well you lose your place, both Charnley and Roberts have found that out and I think next week Goulding should discover that too.

I agree there's no point blaming Finch for the defeat because it was a team effort in doing that badly. The only thing that does concern me with Finch is that he wouldn't be the only Aussie to come over here and struggle in his first season. How long does he get given to fit into the side? Mellor must at least be considered as competition because although Finch is a proven player in the NRL, it doesn't make sense to hold back a promising young player whilst waiting for an established player to pick up some form for a few months. I'm not writing off Finch, I just think that if he hasn't improved in a couple of weeks he has to be dropped if someone else is in form.

It's OK saying this and ideally I agree but we can't put too many inexperienced player in the side. I think Madge and Wane need to take as much flak for tonight as the players. I am sure such a thought is very unfashionable but even with the loss of Piggy and Gleeson they have other options as to how to play the experienced players such as TL at 9 to give MM (cracking player IMO) a rest and vary it all.

For me its getting to the stage where its just the coaching staff are just being stubborn not switching it around. Moving Sam form 1 and interchanging TL with MM is not some sort of admission they got it wrong but a smart move recognising the current formation is not working.



Barrett took about a month to six weeks to settle in and I think that Finch deserves at least that but if the rest of the team carry on like this it would be stupid to hang him for the rest of the sides ineptitude if al the rest of them do not improve.

I'd agree with this, I watched the season review of last year a few weeks ago I'd forgotten how many tries we scored from sam's short kicking game at the start of last year. He's a very good fullback, but I think he is just that bit more effective at 6. Also spelling tommy and McIllorum at 9 would be a huge plus, look at McIllorums performance in the gf, I think he outplayed riddell in that game! I think although we are missing Riddell, Deacon is the one that, at the moment, we are missing the most.

For me tonight the whole team was J Arthur Rank! It was embarrassing. I have never done the Wigan Walk but I was tempted with 20 minutes to go! For what it is worth and i know others will have a go but, Tommy is a number 9 end of he is never a 7. His kicking game is average at least. Sam is a 6 not a 1. Finch, well currently he is David Vaeliki in disguise and it says it all when we really need Paul Deacon back (because we do). the jury is out on Lima and Hoffman, well he was ok until tonight. Micky mac, tries hard but is not good enough as a starting number 9.

The person we miss the most is IMO Gleeson because we need not miss Piggy if TL got a run at 9. We have not got a centre to replace Gleeson and I think there is a possibility Goulding or whoever is on that wing won't be 2nd top try scorer this season and will look very poor in defence without a more experienced centre .

Can't argue too much with this guy !

Hoffman looks as if he will make it but with Lima I am not sure.

Tommy is indeed an enigma. Where to put him ? Not big enough for an hooker and not creative enough for a 6 or 7.

I was also opposed to signing Deacon, but have 'eaten my hat' over this one. The fact remains though, that Deacons days of playing are well overdue. Does this not show our weaknesses on it's own ?

We are playing too many players out of position. Our coach is probably going elsewhere. The secrecy over the Gleeson issue.

As WW1 Royal Navy Admiral of the Fleet, Jackie Fisher stated, "there's something wrong with our bloody ships !"

Thankfully he went to Wigan and not Hull KR .

And how many tries did we score via a high kick to the wing for Pat?, obviously none so far.

The gleeson loss is the greatest IMO we need an attacking strike centre, I personally want Joel there. Can't see what everyone is raving about Marsh for from what I've seen. To me it's a case of the emperors new clothes!!!

I have no doubt Finch will come good, wrongly getting the flack at the mo, much easier to slot into a side if you are the sole change but this ain't the case. He isn't the reason we lost on Friday is he?

Oh and Sam to 6, while he may make a fine FB at the moment he is wasted there, taking in the high ball and running into the oncoming line, we need his creativity in the halves

i personally think its the combination ofboth finch and hoffman, hoffman has been found out in defence alot of the last few games, in face most of the tries are either on the right wing, or where hoffman should be in the line, this combined with finch, being less than useless at the moment, (if hes not fit he should not puthis hand up to play and the coach shouldnt pick him regardless) once catalan knew that they could make the breaks between hoffman and finch they attacked there all night.

If that's the case then McIlorum needs at least a fortnight there with him for letting in 2 tries