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I've got this horrible feeling Wigan are simply running out of cash, in years gone by we got good deals for each of the Tomkins which filled the reserves of cash and we haven't had those inflows of late, just people going - i.e headcount reductions. The attendances & sponsorships aren't making up for it. Sorry for the pessimism but it's something I've seen many times before in my line of work.
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Let’s not forget that although Sam was on big money, only £75K counted towards salary cap. Like others have said, there must be plenty room on the cap to bring somebody in straight away.
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| Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Was Sarge the replacement for Gels? I could be wrong.'"
Ah...could be. My mistake. | | |
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| Quote: infamous grouse "He's only part way through his second season in Aus. He hasn't been in favour this season so he maybe looking for a release now but I very much doubt he signed 6 months ago, that would be 3 months before the NRL season started so he wouldn't have known how things would turn out.'"
Might be putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, but with Joel leaving confirmed, and Greenwood not featuring at all in the first team over in Aus, it wouldn't be unthinkable to try to bring him to Wigan with immediate effect.
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The suggestion I’m being told is we’re finalising the deal to do exactly that
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[b:2boqkfe7][color=#800000:2boqkfe7]WIGAN RLFC - SL ERA
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Quote: Mash Butty "I've got this horrible feeling Wigan are simply running out of cash, in years gone by we got good deals for each of the Tomkins which filled the reserves of cash and we haven't had those inflows of late, just people going - i.e headcount reductions. The attendances & sponsorships aren't making up for it. Sorry for the pessimism but it's something I've seen many times before in my line of work.'"
You're right about attendences, we have been sliding ever since peaking at 16k average back in 2012.
Unfortunately Bilko's site only shows until 2014:
wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... age_id=489
2011 - 16,125
2012 - 16,045
2013 - 14,544
2014 - 14,102
2015 - ? (approx 13k IIRC)
2016 - ? (approx 13k IIRC)
2017 - ? (approx 12k IIRC)
2018 - *11,100 (approx so far)
Definitely the crowds are going in the wrong direction. A third down in revenue since 2011.
* I didn't include the Hull FC gate in Aus, not sure if that made much money or not to be honest! |
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Quote: Mash Butty "I've got this horrible feeling Wigan are simply running out of cash, in years gone by we got good deals for each of the Tomkins which filled the reserves of cash and we haven't had those inflows of late, just people going - i.e headcount reductions. The attendances & sponsorships aren't making up for it. Sorry for the pessimism but it's something I've seen many times before in my line of work.'"
You're right about attendences, we have been sliding ever since peaking at 16k average back in 2012.
Unfortunately Bilko's site only shows until 2014:
wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... age_id=489
2011 - 16,125
2012 - 16,045
2013 - 14,544
2014 - 14,102
2015 - ? (approx 13k IIRC)
2016 - ? (approx 13k IIRC)
2017 - ? (approx 12k IIRC)
2018 - *11,100 (approx so far)
Definitely the crowds are going in the wrong direction. A third down in revenue since 2011.
* I didn't include the Hull FC gate in Aus, not sure if that made much money or not to be honest! | |
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| Quote: MattyB "You're right about attendences, we have been sliding ever since peaking at 16k average back in 2012.
Unfortunately Bilko's site only shows until 2014:
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| Quote: The Whiffy Kipper "That's what you get when the rugby is boring and your not getting entertainment value for your money'"
I agree with this but I’d also throw into the mix the ever dwindling standard of Super League, the mis management and sheer idiocy by the RFL, the confusion as to the set up for 2019 (which I find utterly repulsive). The list is endless. | | | |
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| Quote: Mash Butty " The attendances & sponsorships aren't making up for it. '"
But IL took a game to Millwall and also to the other side of the world. Surely the revenue gained from these "exciting" ventures would more than cover any shortfall in supporters not showing up due to the crap being served up on the pitch! | | |
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SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
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| Quote: MattyB "You're right about attendences, we have been sliding ever since peaking at 16k average back in 2012.
Unfortunately Bilko's site only shows until 2014:
2015 - 13,362
2016 - 13,499
2017 - 13,648
2018 - 11,274 but there's Saints, Leeds, Wire and Catalan to come. Catalan will be over 15K due to promotion of that game locally with the community clubs.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "2015 - 13,362
2016 - 13,499
2017 - 13,648
2018 - 11,274 but there's Saints, Leeds, Wire and Catalan to come. Catalan will be over 15K due to promotion of that game locally with the community clubs.'"
Good points on the games still to come, offers some balance on the situation. | | |
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "2015 - 13,362
2016 - 13,499
2017 - 13,648
2018 - 11,274 but there's Saints, Leeds, Wire and Catalan to come. Catalan will be over 15K due to promotion of that game locally with the community clubs.'"
Cheers Brian, hopefully we can have a few good attendances back end of the season to lift us into 12k+ | | |
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[b:2boqkfe7][color=#800000:2boqkfe7]WIGAN RLFC - SL ERA
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CHALLENGE CUP FINAL WINNERS 2002, 2011, 2013, 2022 & 2024
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| Quote: MattyB "So since the beginning of the season we've now lost (without replacement)
With Greenwood signed immediately that answers that question. Good bit of business in a dour three week period.
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| Quote: MattyB "With Greenwood signed immediately that answers that question. Good bit of business in a dour three week period.'"
lost MM too but got Sarge instead of Gells | | |
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| Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Might be putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, but with Joel leaving confirmed, and Greenwood not featuring at all in the first team over in Aus, it wouldn't be unthinkable to try to bring him to Wigan with immediate effect.
Would be a positive amongst many negatives of late.'"
Genius. Call me Mystic LSOW. | | | |
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768 |
338 |
430 |
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731 |
344 |
387 |
44 |
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29 |
769 |
351 |
418 |
42 |
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580 |
442 |
138 |
33 |
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556 |
561 |
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32 |
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28 |
618 |
411 |
207 |
30 |
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27 |
475 |
427 |
48 |
30 |
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27 |
530 |
488 |
42 |
28 |
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468 |
658 |
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425 |
735 |
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317 |
916 |
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275 |
757 |
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765 |
388 |
377 |
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28 |
723 |
420 |
303 |
36 |
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695 |
501 |
194 |
32 |
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27 |
561 |
502 |
59 |
29 |
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27 |
634 |
525 |
109 |
28 |
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626 |
526 |
100 |
28 |
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498 |
619 |
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509 |
650 |
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22 |
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422 |
591 |
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28 |
484 |
676 |
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20 |
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25 |
442 |
720 |
-278 |
19 |
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25 |
437 |
826 |
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27 |
348 |
879 |
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