FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > Wigan Warriors > Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
2907 posts in 195 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, DaveO , Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy , Bilko , Pemps
Zig
RankPostsTeam
Academy Player2150
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 20222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: The Reaper "Whilst we aren't going to have as quick a backline as yourselves and some others, I think we are definitely making improvements on it. Having Welsby, Robertson and Sailor knocking around is much pacier than Welsby, Hurrell and Dodd as a unit. Murphy is fast (if that rumour is true) and whilst not as fast as Ritson, Ritson has been cabbage and barely used his pace at all and doesn't seem capable of using it effectively in a game, so still a big upgrade. I'm not too bothered about having the fastest backline, there's so many other things to be considered. It just becomes a problem if your backline is actively slow af, which it has been this year and last. You'd like to think we'd be going for another centre as well which will then have Robertson filling in all around the backline rather than being first choice in any position. As long as we don't retain Blake, I think it will be a pretty big improvement on the back line we currently have which I'm fairly happy with

Now, how these quicker lads will fare being told to run straight into forwards that are twice their side every tackle, I don't know!'"


I still think you should have signed two props.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5465
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
29557_1715786245.png
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_29557.png



Quote: Zig "Good. There’s a reason he got a two game ban and Asiata one, both will miss matches against Warrington I think there's probably an element of letting him play the last game at home too. 14 years is a long time to have your last goodbye taken away.

SFW
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member7965No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
3297_1665058009.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3297.jpg



Seems like a sentimental decision the Makinson one. A second red for a similar incident must put him at the top of the range surely.

The game has changed unfortunately and everyone has to get used to this new reality. Players, refs and disciplinary are all struggling with it at the moment, as are us fans. There are almost certainly more adjustments to be made over the next couple of years too. I've got a bit of sympathy with everyone as it's undoubtedly a more difficult game to play, some of these head contacts are impossible to avoid and yet are being punished the same as deliberate contact. I'd have the Smith incident a much higher grading than any ban that comes from players falling into tackles but we aren't there yet.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach29636
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200420 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
10919_1322084665.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10919.jpg



Quote: SFW "Seems like a sentimental decision the Makinson one. A second red for a similar incident must put him at the top of the range surely.

The game has changed unfortunately and everyone has to get used to this new reality. Players, refs and disciplinary are all struggling with it at the moment, as are us fans. There are almost certainly more adjustments to be made over the next couple of years too. I've got a bit of sympathy with everyone as it's undoubtedly a more difficult game to play, some of these head contacts are impossible to avoid and yet are being punished the same as deliberate contact. I'd have the Smith incident a much higher grading than any ban that comes from players falling into tackles but we aren't there yet.'"


Smith got 3 games (rightfully so) and Franklin Pele also got 3 games for his challenge on opening night and when you stack them up against challenges like that Makinson one and other accidental contacts like the Liam Byrne one on Good Friday, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me but then when you throw in the fact Hiku did the same as Smith/Pele, to Jai Field in the CC semi and faced no action whatsoever, it becomes a farce!

You can accidentally hit somebody in the head and be banned for multiple games but trying to elbow drop somebody in the head can be fair game. I'd love to see Paul Cullen or whoever challenged on how that Hiku incident was let go.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach15238No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200619 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: NickyKiss "Smith got 3 games (rightfully so) and Franklin Pele also got 3 games for his challenge on opening night and when you stack them up against challenges like that Makinson one and other accidental contacts like the Liam Byrne one on Good Friday, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me but then when you throw in the fact Hiku did the same as Smith/Pele, to Jai Field in the CC semi and faced no action whatsoever, it becomes a farce!

You can accidentally hit somebody in the head and be banned for multiple games but trying to elbow drop somebody in the head can be fair game. I'd love to see Paul Cullen or whoever challenged on how that Hiku incident was let go.'"


I don't think it's just a symptom of the ill thought-out chaos we are struggling with currently.

Didn't Blake Green receive a blatant blow in the face while lying on the ground in a Grand Final, which resulted in a fractured eye-socket, and no action was taken?

This is a genuine question, because something might have been done about it later, though nothing was done at the time and Wigan gained no advantage on the day.

The Disciplinary are a clown show and have been for a long time. The idea that someone like Cullen should be involved is beyond laughable given the on-field career that he had.

Zig
RankPostsTeam
Academy Player2150
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 20222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Phuzzy "I think there's probably an element of letting him play the last game at home too. 14 years is a long time to have your last goodbye taken away.'"


If that is the case then it is a poor decision, there are plenty of players who have missed a big game through suspension. I would like to think that Tommy won his appeal on merit and yes I am glad that he can say his goodbyes. Had Saints offered him the same deal as Feldt he wouldn't be going anywhere hmm.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5465
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
29557_1715786245.png
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_29557.png



Quote: NickyKiss "Smith got 3 games (rightfully so) and Franklin Pele also got 3 games for his challenge on opening night and when you stack them up against challenges like that Makinson one and other accidental contacts like the Liam Byrne one on Good Friday, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me but then when you throw in the fact Hiku did the same as Smith/Pele, to Jai Field in the CC semi and faced no action whatsoever, it becomes a farce!

You can accidentally hit somebody in the head and be banned for multiple games but trying to elbow drop somebody in the head can be fair game. I'd love to see Paul Cullen or whoever challenged on how that Hiku incident was let go.'"

The reasoning they gave was that no contact was made, which is why I asked the question at the time regarding Smith. Should that even come into it though? The intent is the same either way and as we're supposed to be trying to discourage deliberate attacks to the head it makes you wonder what they're thinking.

RankPostsTeam
Fringe Player1188
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 20223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Zig "If that is the case then it is a poor decision, there are plenty of players who have missed a big game through suspension. I would like to think that Tommy won his appeal on merit and yes I am glad that he can say his goodbyes. Had Saints offered him the same deal as Feldt he wouldn't be going anywhere hmm.'"


Given that we are more than happy to give new contracts to ageing players- Lomax, Walmsley, then how are you sure we haven't offered him 2 years? How do you know that Makinson hasn't asked away for a new challenge?

Why would we waste a quota spot if he wanted to stay?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5465
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
29557_1715786245.png
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_29557.png



Quote: Zig "If that is the case then it is a poor decision, there are plenty of players who have missed a big game through suspension. I would like to think that Tommy won his appeal on merit and yes I am glad that he can say his goodbyes. Had Saints offered him the same deal as Feldt he wouldn't be going anywhere hmm.'"

I know what you're saying Zig but they definitely take these sort of things into account sometimes. Smith got the benefit pre WCC. I know the Cas player dove but I think most of us still expected a ban there.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5465
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
29557_1715786245.png
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_29557.png



Quote: Cruncher "I don't think it's just a symptom of the ill thought-out chaos we are struggling with currently.

Didn't Blake Green receive a blatant blow in the face while lying on the ground in a Grand Final, which resulted in a fractured eye-socket, and no action was taken?

This is a genuine question, because something might have been done about it later, though nothing was done at the time and Wigan gained no advantage on the day.

The Disciplinary are a clown show and have been for a long time. The idea that someone like Cullen should be involved is beyond laughable given the on-field career that he had.'"

That happened right in front of us mate and you could hear the impact. It was an horrendous attack. I said at the time that it was worse than the Ben Flower one and the damage inflicted on both players certainly bares that out. I think Westwood received a ban retrospectively but how he wasn't sent off is completely unfathomable.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach29636
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200420 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
10919_1322084665.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10919.jpg



Quote: Phuzzy "That happened right in front of us mate and you could hear the impact. It was an horrendous attack. I said at the time that it was worse than the Ben Flower one and the damage inflicted on both players certainly bares that out. I think Westwood received a ban retrospectively but how he wasn't sent off is completely unfathomable.'"


Westwood got 2 games IIRC, which funnily enough ruled him out of 2 England friendlies ahead of the 2013 RLWC and made him available for the opener against Australia in Cardiff.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach15238No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200619 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: NickyKiss "Westwood got 2 games IIRC, which funnily enough ruled him out of 2 England friendlies ahead of the 2013 RLWC and made him available for the opener against Australia in Cardiff.'"


If the ONLY thing we could get right in our game was consistency from the refs and the judiciary, we'd be in a 50 times better place than we are now.

RankPostsTeam
Junior Player293No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 20231 year
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Zig "If that is the case then it is a poor decision, there are plenty of players who have missed a big game through suspension. I would like to think that Tommy won his appeal on merit and yes I am glad that he can say his goodbyes. Had Saints offered him the same deal as Feldt he wouldn't be going anywhere hmm.'"


Almost a poor decision as letting Harry smith play in the WCC

Zig
RankPostsTeam
Academy Player2150
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 20222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: RobRiches "Almost a poor decision as letting Harry smith play in the WCC'"


I agree.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach9468
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
13145_1273270974.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_13145.jpg



Smith should have been banned for SL games but banning him for the WCC would have made as much sense as banning George Williams for the internationals at the end of last year. Domestic disciplinary issues should not lead to suspensions for international fixtures, club or country.

2907 posts in 195 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, DaveO , Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy , Bilko , Pemps
2907 posts in 195 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, DaveO , Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy , Bilko , Pemps



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


4.2333984375:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
9m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
ComeOnYouUll
3150
Recent
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Once were Lo
9911
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
12s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40110
15s
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Zig
2907
18s
Off Contract 2025
RAPIDO
28
20s
Other Championship Clubs
Dr Dreadnoug
316
28s
Recruitment rumours and links
Abe Froman
3082
39s
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Results and Standings
Uncle Rico
39
49s
Le Cats at home - Los Alomos Custers Last Stand
Jake the Peg
112
51s
Planning for next season
Jack Gaskell
107
51s
Shopping list for 2025
Jake the Peg
5129
56s
TV Games - Not Hull
Irregular Ho
2824
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
SL Dream Team 2024
Neruda
5
TODAY
2024 Dream Team
Cherry_Warri
13
TODAY
Loop fixtures 2025
easyWire
9
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition St Helens Home Play Off
Wire Weaver
2
TODAY
Salford Away Travel Information Play Off Eliminator 27/9/24
LancashireRe
1
TODAY
Swinton v Dons - Sunday 22 September 2024
weighman
5
TODAY
AJoshua
karetaker
1
TODAY
David Hughes
orangeman
1
TODAY
Catalans Dragons Finish Seventh Hull Avoid the Wooden Spoon
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025
BigTime
13
TODAY
Season 2024
Sir Gregory
34
TODAY
Hull KR Secure Second With Victory Over Leeds
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Tonights match v London
Fantastic Mr
44
TODAY
Wembley photo
AgbriggAmble
3
TODAY
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trophy By Thrashing Salford
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Barrow
westgaterunn
19
TODAY
Holly Spurr Interview
JamieRobinso
1
TODAY
Wolves again
Uncle Rico
27
TODAY
Academy Players Promoted to First Team Squad
Simba16
2
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Saints
Jack Gaskell
6
TODAY
Round 27 HKR Away
chapylad
69
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
309
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
367
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
482
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
972
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
755
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
844
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
889
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1200
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1117
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1213
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
1371
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1249
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
1598
Leeds Rhinos Ride Their Luck F..
1714
Wigan Warriors Level Top As Ca..
1854
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.63M 2,663 ↓-1080,12414,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 Fri 27th Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R30
10:50
Melbourne
v
Sydney
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R28
20:00
Salford
v
Leigh
 Sat 28th Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R30
10:50
Penrith
v
Cronulla
       Championship 2024-R28
17:00
Toulouse
v
Batley
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R28
17:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
 Sun 29th Sep
       Championship 2024-R28
15:00
Barrow
v
Widnes
15:00
Bradford
v
Swinton
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
Doncaster
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Halifax
15:00
York
v
Featherstone
 Sun 27th Oct 2024
     Mens Internationals 2024-R2
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
 Sat 2nd Nov 2024
     Womens Internationals 2024-R2
12:00
ENGLAND W
v
WALES W
     Mens Internationals 2024-R3
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 22nd Sep
CH 27 Batley28-14Swinton
CH 27 Halifax14-10Bradford
CH 27 Swinton20-22Doncaster
L1 24 Hunslet18-14Midlands
L1 24 Keighley26-22Rochdale
WSL2024 15 LeedsW10-12York V
WSL2024 15 St.HelensW18-4WiganW
Sat 21st Sep
SL 27 Hull FC4-24Catalans
CH 27 Featherstone50-12Dewsbury
CH 27 Widnes12-18Toulouse
CH 27 Wakefield46-0Barrow
NRL 29 Sydney40-16Manly
Fri 20th Sep
SL 27 Hull KR26-16Leeds
SL 27 Leigh18-12St.Helens
SL 27 Warrington54-0LondonB
CH 27 Sheffield24-26York
NRL 29 Cronulla26-18NQL Cowboys
Thu 19th Sep
SL 27 Huddersfield34-10Castleford
SL 27 Wigan64-0Salford
Sun 15th Sep
WSL2024 14 FeatherstoneW6-32York V
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 27 721 336 385 44
Hull KR 27 719 327 392 42
Warrington 27 738 319 419 40
Salford 27 550 547 3 32
Leigh 27 566 398 168 31
St.Helens 27 596 388 208 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 25 938 256 682 48
Toulouse 24 680 352 328 33
Bradford 25 628 387 241 32
York 26 639 463 176 28
Featherstone 25 616 484 132 28
Sheffield 25 618 498 120 28
 
Widnes 25 525 451 74 27
Doncaster 25 492 547 -55 25
Batley 25 406 527 -121 22
Halifax 25 489 627 -138 22
Barrow 24 418 694 -276 19
Swinton 26 474 620 -146 18
Whitehaven 24 414 806 -392 16
Dewsbury 26 320 871 -551 2
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
9m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
ComeOnYouUll
3150
Recent
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Once were Lo
9911
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
12s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40110
15s
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Zig
2907
18s
Off Contract 2025
RAPIDO
28
20s
Other Championship Clubs
Dr Dreadnoug
316
28s
Recruitment rumours and links
Abe Froman
3082
39s
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Results and Standings
Uncle Rico
39
49s
Le Cats at home - Los Alomos Custers Last Stand
Jake the Peg
112
51s
Planning for next season
Jack Gaskell
107
51s
Shopping list for 2025
Jake the Peg
5129
56s
TV Games - Not Hull
Irregular Ho
2824
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
SL Dream Team 2024
Neruda
5
TODAY
2024 Dream Team
Cherry_Warri
13
TODAY
Loop fixtures 2025
easyWire
9
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition St Helens Home Play Off
Wire Weaver
2
TODAY
Salford Away Travel Information Play Off Eliminator 27/9/24
LancashireRe
1
TODAY
Swinton v Dons - Sunday 22 September 2024
weighman
5
TODAY
AJoshua
karetaker
1
TODAY
David Hughes
orangeman
1
TODAY
Catalans Dragons Finish Seventh Hull Avoid the Wooden Spoon
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025
BigTime
13
TODAY
Season 2024
Sir Gregory
34
TODAY
Hull KR Secure Second With Victory Over Leeds
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Tonights match v London
Fantastic Mr
44
TODAY
Wembley photo
AgbriggAmble
3
TODAY
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trophy By Thrashing Salford
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Barrow
westgaterunn
19
TODAY
Holly Spurr Interview
JamieRobinso
1
TODAY
Wolves again
Uncle Rico
27
TODAY
Academy Players Promoted to First Team Squad
Simba16
2
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Saints
Jack Gaskell
6
TODAY
Round 27 HKR Away
chapylad
69
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
309
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
367
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
482
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
972
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
755
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
844
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
889
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1200
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1117
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1213
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
1371
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1249
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
1598
Leeds Rhinos Ride Their Luck F..
1714
Wigan Warriors Level Top As Ca..
1854


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!