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Bugger. Would have been your first one as well

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I have come to the conclusion that after reading many of his long opinions, Jukesays would make a very good Labour Politician or Councillor!

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Correct, and if he believes that only over seventies were to blame for coming out, he is in cloud cuckoo land.

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I'll have a little bet with you that I've read, researched and watched more stuff on the subject in the last 5 years than you have.
Yes, I am that Boring.

I believe you.

But turn that paragraph on yourself and look in that mirror.

Fake news!
3 line slogans
Why dont you try to listen to the people that feel oppressed/hard done to
Facebook's (And Twitter's) Armchair experts, who listen to all the other armchair racists spreading their vile messages which are disguised racist agendas
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Ruddy uses an analogy earlier about "Whatabout the white girl, or the white man injured or killed by a black/asian"
"Wheres the marches for that, wheres the kneeling for that".

If anyone cant see the difference it's because they dont want to or their not interested in researching to understand the difference.

You'd have to take this up with Ruddy

Its abhorrent, black people kill white people, white people kill black people, Asian people kill white people and vice versa, it's all terrible. The Facebook (insert derogatory name) use Lee Rigby's name as a reason Not to support equal rights, there is no need to March because his killers were brought to justice by the people who are meant to do that.

The reason there is a Black lives matter movement etc is because the very people who are supposed to be upholding the law, the people who are supposed to determine justice, the people who are supposed to hire people fairly etc. Arent doing it to the EQUAL standards they are supposed to be.

Ask Steven Lawrence's parents, and yes things are getting better, but research and studies done by then police themselves in the last year accepts that there is "Still work to do".

Steven Lawrence was 1993, coppers who started out on the beat as sprogs back then have retired due to old age by now, to use that case as an example in 2020 beggars belief as that murder changed a lot of things in the Police force up and down the country with regards race.

Your retort that there are already laws, yes there are, and that's progress that was made in the 50s/60s/70s/80s etc which is fine.
But just as there are laws about speeding, some people dont abide by them even though they are there.
Some officers do target minorities, some bosses still dont employ women, minorities and disabled people fairly and equally. And those people who are disadvantaged are prepared to stand up for their rights to be treated equally, Good on um.

Some officers do target minorities? Have you got first hand experience of this or any proof or are you passing off something you've read online as a lived experience? If this is true then the Police force would deal with it if it was reported.

Some bosses don't employ women, again I'm after some proof. There are laws to prevent this, if its a large company you could take them to a tribunal, if its the owner deciding not to take women on then as business owner it's their prerogative who they take on. Do you have proof or evidence that bosses don't take disabled or minorities on? And what jobs were those? For example, with regards disabled, does having the disability impair the person to be able to do the job they applied for eg firefighter? Plumber? Or not. Again, if you have no evidence, or first hand experience of any of the above please state it.


And I am in no way equating the UKs overall situation to the USA, wheebitbis far worse IMO.
But Raheem Sterling didnt speak out after geroge floyd, he felt the need to speak out before.
Others have done so in the not too recent past.

Raheem Sterling has proved that you can get to the very top regardless of race. He cops a lot of stick, he gets a lot of racist abuse, is it because those people are racist? Probably. Is it because he acted like a twonk when he first arrived in the spotlight also? Definitely.

What I don't get is the whole George Floyd issue, the police man was arrested almost immediately, he's being tried for the murder, justice will be served. During the trial we will find out the reason for the cop killing him, might be down to a fall out they had, might be poor training, might be because he's racist and wanted to kill him because of the colour of his skin, who knows until the trial the reason why. So why burn down your own Country and wreak havoc until the reason comes out? It was a total knee jerk reaction based on emotion,

We are told that everybody is different, you can't base judgement on a whole group of people because of the act of 1 person, for instance when there's a terorrist attack. But when it's a policeman in America all police all over the world are treated as racist murderers and the whole organisation has to change. Us, the UK with the best and least racist Police force in the world are thrown under the bus because of what happened in America by a sub-standard, poorly trained possibly racist (innocent until proven guilty) Police officer.

I might sound like a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, but when you have an hour to spare, go and check out Yuri Bezmenov on youtube talking about subversion and see if you think with relation to what we have been discussing, it might open your eyes.

Should they all just sit right and hope it goes away, because your response that they are "Putting race relations back 30 years" seems to blame the victims for their own situation?

Racism will cease to exist when we stop talking about it, stop making a big deal out of it. The people who profit out of it whether it be money, power, influence or division are the ones pushing the wedge between everyone. If racism stops and goes away, they loose their cash cow, their influence, their power, their seat on the gravy train or the people will unite and they don't want that, can you not see?


If the murder of George Floyd had happened in this Country then it would be a different story. But what's the worst that's happened in this Country recently? Dawn Butler and whoever was driving her car pulled over on accident? Not exactly a Rodney King moment was it? Our Police are the best in the world, let's appreciate them.




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Quote: post "I'll have a little bet with you that I've read, researched and watched more stuff on the subject in the last 5 years than you have.
Yes, I am that Boring.

I believe you.

But turn that paragraph on yourself and look in that mirror.

Fake news!
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Why dont you try to listen to the people that feel oppressed/hard done to
Facebook's (And Twitter's) Armchair experts, who listen to all the other armchair racists spreading their vile messages which are disguised racist agendas
Try Empathy



Ruddy uses an analogy earlier about "Whatabout the white girl, or the white man injured or killed by a black/asian"
"Wheres the marches for that, wheres the kneeling for that".

If anyone cant see the difference it's because they dont want to or their not interested in researching to understand the difference.

You'd have to take this up with Ruddy

Its abhorrent, black people kill white people, white people kill black people, Asian people kill white people and vice versa, it's all terrible. The Facebook (insert derogatory name) use Lee Rigby's name as a reason Not to support equal rights, there is no need to March because his killers were brought to justice by the people who are meant to do that.

The reason there is a Black lives matter movement etc is because the very people who are supposed to be upholding the law, the people who are supposed to determine justice, the people who are supposed to hire people fairly etc. Arent doing it to the EQUAL standards they are supposed to be.

Ask Steven Lawrence's parents, and yes things are getting better, but research and studies done by then police themselves in the last year accepts that there is "Still work to do".

Steven Lawrence was 1993, coppers who started out on the beat as sprogs back then have retired due to old age by now, to use that case as an example in 2020 beggars belief as that murder changed a lot of things in the Police force up and down the country with regards race.

Your retort that there are already laws, yes there are, and that's progress that was made in the 50s/60s/70s/80s etc which is fine.
But just as there are laws about speeding, some people dont abide by them even though they are there.
Some officers do target minorities, some bosses still dont employ women, minorities and disabled people fairly and equally. And those people who are disadvantaged are prepared to stand up for their rights to be treated equally, Good on um.

Some officers do target minorities? Have you got first hand experience of this or any proof or are you passing off something you've read online as a lived experience? If this is true then the Police force would deal with it if it was reported.

Some bosses don't employ women, again I'm after some proof. There are laws to prevent this, if its a large company you could take them to a tribunal, if its the owner deciding not to take women on then as business owner it's their prerogative who they take on. Do you have proof or evidence that bosses don't take disabled or minorities on? And what jobs were those? For example, with regards disabled, does having the disability impair the person to be able to do the job they applied for eg firefighter? Plumber? Or not. Again, if you have no evidence, or first hand experience of any of the above please state it.


And I am in no way equating the UKs overall situation to the USA, wheebitbis far worse IMO.
But Raheem Sterling didnt speak out after geroge floyd, he felt the need to speak out before.
Others have done so in the not too recent past.

Raheem Sterling has proved that you can get to the very top regardless of race. He cops a lot of stick, he gets a lot of racist abuse, is it because those people are racist? Probably. Is it because he acted like a twonk when he first arrived in the spotlight also? Definitely.

What I don't get is the whole George Floyd issue, the police man was arrested almost immediately, he's being tried for the murder, justice will be served. During the trial we will find out the reason for the cop killing him, might be down to a fall out they had, might be poor training, might be because he's racist and wanted to kill him because of the colour of his skin, who knows until the trial the reason why. So why burn down your own Country and wreak havoc until the reason comes out? It was a total knee jerk reaction based on emotion,

We are told that everybody is different, you can't base judgement on a whole group of people because of the act of 1 person, for instance when there's a terorrist attack. But when it's a policeman in America all police all over the world are treated as racist murderers and the whole organisation has to change. Us, the UK with the best and least racist Police force in the world are thrown under the bus because of what happened in America by a sub-standard, poorly trained possibly racist (innocent until proven guilty) Police officer.

I might sound like a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, but when you have an hour to spare, go and check out Yuri Bezmenov on youtube talking about subversion and see if you think with relation to what we have been discussing, it might open your eyes.

Should they all just sit right and hope it goes away, because your response that they are "Putting race relations back 30 years" seems to blame the victims for their own situation?

Racism will cease to exist when we stop talking about it, stop making a big deal out of it. The people who profit out of it whether it be money, power, influence or division are the ones pushing the wedge between everyone. If racism stops and goes away, they loose their cash cow, their influence, their power, their seat on the gravy train or the people will unite and they don't want that, can you not see?


If the murder of George Floyd had happened in this Country then it would be a different story. But what's the worst that's happened in this Country recently? Dawn Butler and whoever was driving her car pulled over on accident? Not exactly a Rodney King moment was it? Our Police are the best in the world, let's appreciate them.


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It's going to take some time for this reply - See you later with it

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Quote: Jukesays "Oh Dear
It's going to take some time for this reply - See you later with it'"


I think the best option, without boring everybody else, is to discuss it over a pint before a game post-Covid and post-kneeling. I'm that laid back I'm horizontal, so it won't turn into an argument.

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To be fair jukesy is a chilled good guy also

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Re -my qualifications (jukesay )

What qualifications do you have can I get a NVQ in BLM now.

I truly am sorry that I have an opinion that is different than yours and others .
And I cannot add anything to Post as he does speak for a lot of people of the same point of view.
I have never been racist my favourite player of all time is Ellery,can we say the black pearl anymore.
I have employed black,women all on the same wage.
When the volcano went up on that carribean
island our gov at the time transported hundreds to this country and 1 guy worked for me (blackburn) and loved this country and didnt want to go back,who can blame him as this is the most diverse and honest country in the world and we should be proud.
Because I dont agree with BLM and taking the knee does not mean i detest racism,sexism etc.
Oh I am new to this site.
I know you can dissect this but different views is what makes democracy work

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whoops
meant to say- because I dont agree with BLM etc does not mean I am a racist as I detest racism.

Just had to clarify that

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Quote: Jason65 "Re -my qualifications (jukesay )

What qualifications do you have can I get a NVQ in BLM now.

I truly am sorry that I have an opinion that is different than yours and others .
And I cannot add anything to Post as he does speak for a lot of people of the same point of view.
I have never been racist my favourite player of all time is Ellery,can we say the black pearl anymore.
I have employed black,women all on the same wage.
When the volcano went up on that carribean
island our gov at the time transported hundreds to this country and 1 guy worked for me (blackburn) and loved this country and didnt want to go back,who can blame him as this is the most diverse and honest country in the world and we should be proud.
Because I dont agree with BLM and taking the knee does not mean i detest racism,sexism etc.
Oh I am new to this site.
I know you can dissect this but different views is what makes democracy work'"


I dont gave any qualifications

But I wasnt the one who said that

Quote: Jason65 "
blm is a marxist movement and has put race relations back years.'"


If you could provide evidence that race relations have been put back and that black people agree that things are getting worse because a movement they believe in is making things worse for them as well then I'm all ears.

Other than that it isnt fact, its rhetoric and opinion.

Once again someone is trying BLM the organisation to Black Lives Matter message/slogan etc.

I'm all for different views
It does seem strange to me though (and this isnt at yourself) that people who shout that you cant have a different view these days, or its political correctness gone mad etc. Etc. Are the first ones who try and label others for having different views.

Name calling
Just stop taking about it and it will go away (yeah, thatvwill work well)
Bloody snowflakes always getting upset (yet getting upset themselves without being name called etc a fraction of what they do, and if you want evidence go on the sin bin thread)
Say they want reasoned debate, and then when presented with facts dont reply or just ignore (see for instance the accusation regarding kamala Harris earlier in the thread, presented with facts and walk away only to be seen again when people think they're ignorance as been forgotten).

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Quote: Pieman "To be fair jukesy is a chilled good guy also'"


I've met him once before, Celtic Crusaders away 2008/9 in the beer garden of the pub attached to the ground. No I'm not stalking him, I'm like rain man, I remember far too much. He and MattyB were going round collecting for something, I gave a sky diver.

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Quote: post "I've met him once before, Celtic Crusaders away 2008/9 in the beer garden of the pub attached to the ground. No I'm not stalking him, I'm like rain man, I remember far too much. He and MattyB were going round collecting for something, I gave a sky diver.'"


Your Not quite Rainman, it was 2010called at a mates daughters 21st on the way back from the game, and Inter Milan beat Bayern in the first Saturday European/Champions league Saturday Final.
Had a few quid on em ro win 2-0 so a good night was had!

We were collecting for the flags
I've referenced before the flags in this thread, and it does show what can happen when a well meaning message etc is taken over by people with different and in my opinion less friendly motives and the good will is lost

However, you cant tar everyone with the same brush because a few idiots decide to climb on a bandwagon.

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Quote: Jukesays "Your Not quite Rainman, it was 2010called at a mates daughters 21st on the way back from the game, and Inter Milan beat Bayern in the first Saturday European/Champions league Saturday Final.
Had a few quid on em ro win 2-0 so a good night was had!

We were collecting for the flags
I've referenced before the flags in this thread, and it does show what can happen when a well meaning message etc is taken over by people with different and in my opinion less friendly motives and the good will is lost

However, you cant tar everyone with the same brush because a few idiots decide to climb on a bandwagon.


2010, so it was. I had a boiler swap to weigh up in Wrexham so killed 2 birds with 1 stone.

Are you on about the Brigantes?

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I agree Juke it is my opinion based on what I have read and watched as it is yours.

But in my opinion to disband the police or the nuclear family or ask reparations for acts from decades gone by,to pull down statues,to loot and cause mayhem ,to have some kind of millitary movement in uniforms,to disrespect the police like the labour MP(white man driving.she in the passenger seat )to doctor the tape like she did is wrong obviously my opinion and that is without any qualifications, does city&guilds count ?.
We should only kneel to the queen or God (not me I am a atheist) or for marriage,never to a movement. Bow your head,stand in silence even clap for a minute but never kneel.

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Just to say I am knew to this site or any and have read the comments on this site for years and have decided to join.
Picked a wrong thread to join in so I w0nt carry on with this thread.
Jukes I have read your posts over the years and agreed with many as I have with many others.

I am from sunny Apply Bridge and have supported Wigan since I was an Embryo.

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100
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
748
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782
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1200
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1425
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1175
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1593
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1290
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1519
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
1685
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1940
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1644
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1691
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
2004
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1711
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Wigan 27 721 336 385 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 28 580 404 176 33
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Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
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York 27 655 469 186 30
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
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