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Feels like a bit of a nice refresh if I’m honest lots of new names in there which is good to see.

In regards the Saints lads we need to be looking beyond the likes of Lomax and Walmsley due to their age and in Lomax’s case desire to play for England, it’s clearly not something he has much interest in.

Knowles and Lees will be in contention for next WC so disappointing to see them miss out due to injury and suspension.

Welsby is having a bit of a dip like a few others but have earned the right to be picked but Dodd has been poor so far so not worthy of a place.

Faz has a clear desire to play for his country however his age is an issue in my opinion, but as long as he is playing well and putting his hand up he deserves a call.

Lomax doesn’t want to prioritise England and I understand there are reasons for that in regards the coach but he is the past anyway.

Williams and Smith need to be groomed as a partnership during this cycle to see how they click with players like Abdul and Dodd who I’m sure will return to form at some point also being in contention.

There needed to be a change in guard with the England team and I think that is reflected in the selections.

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Quote: jonh "Feels like a bit of a nice refresh if I’m honest lots of new names in there which is good to see.

In regards the Saints lads we need to be looking beyond the likes of Lomax and Walmsley due to their age and in Lomax’s case desire to play for England, it’s clearly not something he has much interest in.

Knowles and Lees will be in contention for next WC so disappointing to see them miss out due to injury and suspension.

Welsby is having a bit of a dip like a few others but have earned the right to be picked but Dodd has been poor so far so not worthy of a place.

Faz has a clear desire to play for his country however his age is an issue in my opinion, but as long as he is playing well and putting his hand up he deserves a call.

Lomax doesn’t want to prioritise England and I understand there are reasons for that in regards the coach but he is the past anyway.

Williams and Smith need to be groomed as a partnership during this cycle to see how they click with players like Abdul and Dodd who I’m sure will return to form at some point also being in contention.

There needed to be a change in guard with the England team and I think that is reflected in the selections.'"

How do you know Lomax doesn't want to play for England?

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Quote: thesaint71 "How do you know Lomax doesn't want to play for England?'"


I have been told by plenty of people close to the England camp that certain individuals within it would prefer it if there wasn’t such a close link between Wigan and England, Lomax being one of them.

His actions last year may not prove that but it’s a clear indication.

Even if it wasn’t true though his time has come and gone. We need to build towards the next World Cup and form key partnerships.

Lomax is s wonderful player but we cannot go into 2025 relying on him, when the reality is under the current coach he has not been reliable.

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The sport needs a strong international game. Simple as that

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It sounds like the International calendar is set for this year.

England will play a 3 test series against Tonga. The venues will be St Helens, Huddersfield and Headingley.

Australia, NZ and Samoa will play a tri series in NZ.

PNG, Fiji and the Cook Islands will play in a separate tri nations

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Quote: Jack Burton "It sounds like the International calendar is set for this year.

England will play a 3 test series against Tonga. The venues will be St Helens, Huddersfield and Headingley.

Australia, NZ and Samoa will play a tri series in NZ.

PNG, Fiji and the Cook Islands will play in a separate tri nations'"


Got to say, not much to moan about with the Tonga series.

Venues are in the heartlands, but we should sell all 3 out easily and hopefully have some good games & atmosphere's to boot.

Games still close to seasons end, so players will still be in playing condition, but enough time for a bit of a rest and some training sessions together.

The pricing is fair and realistic, and the 3 venue's being in relatively close proximity with no daft outliers like one game on london means they can do offers such as the 3 game bundle they are offering. Which is great value for money imo and should be popular.

Looking forward to this series, will be interesting how some fresh faces go in it, should be quite a youthful England team. Think me and my mates are going to go for the 3 match bundle from discussions this morning, 3rd game is only £2.50 with that offer.

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Quote: BoredWiganer "Got to say, not much to moan about with the Tonga series.

Venues are in the heartlands, but we should sell all 3 out easily and hopefully have some good games & atmosphere's to boot.

Games still close to seasons end, so players will still be in playing condition, but enough time for a bit of a rest and some training sessions together.

The pricing is fair and realistic, and the 3 venue's being in relatively close proximity with no daft outliers like one game on london means they can do offers such as the 3 game bundle they are offering. Which is great value for money imo and should be popular.

Looking forward to this series, will be interesting how some fresh faces go in it, should be quite a youthful England team. Think me and my mates are going to go for the 3 match bundle from discussions this morning, 3rd game is only £2.50 with that offer.'"


My only concern over this great news is that the NRL clubs will influence selection of both teams, particularly Tonga.

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Quote: jonh "My only concern over this great news is that the NRL clubs will influence selection of both teams, particularly Tonga.'"


If that was to be the case, then it would be very obvious that the NRL was attempting to maim us and Tonga, as opposed to it being about looking after their players.

It would be very hypocritical of them to run their own tri-nations series (which will no doubt be packed to the rafters with NRL talent) whilst at the same time blocking English and Tongan players from playing their international series.

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Slightly O/T but for those travelling to the games against France tomorrow, where is the best place to park these days around the HJ?

We used to use the back of Matalan before cameras were installed circa 2016.

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5 Saints players who pulled out with injuries, straight back into their squad for a game 6 days later.

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Quote: NSW "5 Saints players who pulled out with injuries, straight back into their squad for a game 6 days later.'"


Wellens did make sure to point out Dodd and Lees haven’t trained yet and might not play.

We believe you Paul, we really do eusa_liar.gif

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Quote: NickyKiss "Wellens did make sure to point out Dodd and Lees haven’t trained yet and might not play.

We believe you Paul, we really do
Both are struggling and probably wouldn't have played the last couple of games were it not for our injuries. Dodd has been struggling with a hamstring and Lees with his ribs. Wouldn't surprise me if at least one if not both didn't play on Friday.

Walmsley was always 4 weeks from his injury which falls this weekend so timing wise its pretty spot on. Last week would have been too early, he's only trained this week.

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Quote: NSW "5 Saints players who pulled out with injuries, straight back into their squad for a game 6 days later.'"


quelle surprise

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Quote: Stu M "Both are struggling and probably wouldn't have played the last couple of games were it not for our injuries. Dodd has been struggling with a hamstring and Lees with his ribs. Wouldn't surprise me if at least one if not both didn't play on Friday.

Walmsley was always 4 weeks from his injury which falls this weekend so timing wise its pretty spot on. Last week would have been too early, he's only trained this week.'"


No issue with Walmsley, Makinson etc. I just can’t buy the yearly pull outs, only for them to turn out the following weekend being a coincidence. Has Lomax made a miracle recovery as well?

Let’s be honest here, Saints as a club see this as a mid season break and have done since Woolf came in. I hoped it would end under an ex England international and assistant coach but sadly not.

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Quote: NickyKiss "No issue with Walmsley, Makinson etc. I just can’t buy the yearly pull outs, only for them to turn out the following weekend being a coincidence. Has Lomax made a miracle recovery as well?

Let’s be honest here, Saints as a club see this as a mid season break and have done since Woolf came in. I hoped it would end under an ex England international and assistant coach but sadly not.'"


Just to say that I don't defend Saints over everything, there are a lot of things I disagree with that we do and I've made my feelings known on that.

However in this instance, initially I could fully understand the thoughts of other fans, in particular Wigan who provided a large number of the team.

It's no secret that Woolf and Wane didn't get on. Rightly or wrongly Woolf put Saints first over the international game and his focus was 100% on Saints. Wellens is a different matter, he worked with Wane as England assistant for years and they get on really well.

When I look at the withdrawals, we already know that Makinson, Walmsley and Percival were injured and hadn't played for Saints the week before. Knowles was suspended. Welsby played so is not applicable.

That leaves Lees, Lomax and Dodd. I think that Wane and Wellens came to a compromise. Lomax for whatever reason isn't fully committed and will be too old for the next WC anyway. Williams is clearly the No. 1 choice at 6 and is the captain.

Dodd has been poor this season and Smith was deserving of his opportunity given his form. Lees was the surprise omission as he has been outstanding the past few weeks. However given Wellens comments and the minutes that Lees has played then I think he has come to an agreement with Wane. Lees has clearly been playing with needles the past few weeks purely down to the injuries we have had.

Lets be honest the best of the lot is Welsby and he was probably the one player that Wellens wanted to rest and not risk an injury but he was allowed to play.

Wane's comments were interesting when asked about the withdrawals. He doesn't strike me as someone who says what people want to hear yet had no issues and even said that "Saints have been doing it tough". Previously he has had no problem with calling out SL coaches and expressing his disappointment that they are not supporting the international game.

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