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| Quote: Steph Curry "Dude. Just leave it. You have no idea what you are talking about. You can lose money and be solvent or you can lose money and be I solvent. Wigan are insolvent. For the millionth time, Wigan’s liabilities outweigh their assets whilst saints don’t.
Stop arguing over something you have absolutely no clue about you whopper'"
Another 6/7 years at the current rate of losses and it won't.
And owning a 30 million pound stadium that NO-ONE would buy at that price and as an aside if you did sell would mean that you had nowhere to play isnt really that Impressive.
If your HK backers call in their 22million plus they're owed your in big trouble.
As it stands, IL owes IL, that'll do for me.
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| Quote: Jukesays "As it stands, IL owes IL, that'll do for me.'"
EXACTLY!!!!
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| Quote: Steph Curry "Are you really that thick. Look at the accounts on companies house. It has a negative balance sheet. Ergo, it’s insolvent! I get approached all the time to value a business and if someone approached me to value wigan, I would say not to bother as it doesn’t generate any profit and it’s insolvent. It’s worthless. You would pay £1 and that’s it. Unless leneghan is willing to write off the 6m or so the club owes it.'"
Seems legit. I've got a tenner, so IL will snap my hand off for 10x your valuation, and I'll find it impossible to then sell the club on for a profit. Oh no, wait, IL wouldn't sell it to me for a tenner, and if he did then I'd be able to sell it on for far more the same day and instantly become a multi-millionaire in the process.
I sincerely hope these people approaching you to value businesses are just keeping you busy.
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| Quote: Steph Curry "Lmao. Ok whatever. I cba arguing with an armchair accountant'"
Didn’t you post this hours ago?
What changed your mind old boy? I thought you couldn’t be bothered
Why don’t you do everyone a favour and just use a few of your usernames and you can all talk to each other. It’ll be the most activity your mams back bedroom in Parr has seen.
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| Quote: Egg Chasing "Which translates to "I can't find any creditors because you don't have any debts."
Now do us a favour.. f*** off.'"
Your last sentance just about sums up the level of your level of IQ
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| Quote: Steph Curry "St. Helens are solvent. Wigan aren’t. That’s a big difference'"
You are wasting your time!
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| Quote: Ruddy Duck "You are wasting your time!'"
I know. It’s almost like making unsubstantiated and ridiculous claims are instantly shot down. Still, at least you and Steph got to chat to yourself so I suppose that’s something
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| Quote: Egg Chasing "Speaking of Ruddy Duck. Does anyone know if they're ok?'"
All alive and well but decided that the time as come to spend more time floating around the duck pond than having to put up with the comments from the same handful of "Mr Know It All's" from the Bullwinkle Show.
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "No, the harsh truth is is that you just don’t like anyone disagreeing with what you say or joining you on your selective nostalgic trip. Response disagreeing with what your saying aren’t disrespectful.
No answer to any points against you though?
Ironically despite labelling others “snowflakes”, it turns out you were accurately describing yourself.'"
5 pages later and still true
No answers to any questions and then distracts from that by either :-
A/ changing subject
B/ moving goalposts
Whilst
A/ name calling
B/ complaining about being called names
I don't think RD and "insert multiple user name" are the same person.
But having to resort to looking for support from "insert multiple user name" is about as bad as it gets.
Theyve both been asked 1 x question each, neither wants to answer
Go figure
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| Quote: Ruddy Duck "Your last sentance just about sums up the level of your level of IQ'"
The level of the level of my IQ. Do you mean it shows the level of my IQ?
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| Quote: Jukesays "
If your HK backers call in their 22million plus they're owed your in big trouble.
As it stands, IL owes IL, that'll do for me.'"
Colman converted his lending in St Helens to shares so rather than being owed, he effectively owns them, or at least a large chunk.
A paper exercise but it makes the Balance Sheet look prettier.
The difference between Saints and Wigan I guess is that the losses at the former are driven largely by big amounts of depreciation on the stadium. At Wigan they are driven by trading losses - i.e. (pre-Covid obviously) EBITDA at Wigan will be negative whereas Saints tend towards breaking even. This means Wigan will be leaking cash whereas Saints won't be.
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| Quote: Grimmy "Seems legit. I've got a tenner, so IL will snap my hand off for 10x your valuation, and I'll find it impossible to then sell the club on for a profit. Oh no, wait, IL wouldn't sell it to me for a tenner, and if he did then I'd be able to sell it on for far more the same day and instantly become a multi-millionaire in the process.
I sincerely hope these people approaching you to value businesses are just keeping you busy.'"
You have to wonder why a successful businessman like Danson didn't speak to someone like Steph before investing £2.5m into the club for a 25% stake when he could have just spent 25p. How did none of his legal or financial team spot the error?
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| Quote: Egg Chasing "You have to wonder why a successful businessman like Danson didn't speak to someone like Steph'"
I can think of a reason or two
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| Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Colman converted his lending in St Helens to shares so rather than being owed, he effectively owns them, or at least a large chunk.
A paper exercise but it makes the Balance Sheet look prettier.
The difference between Saints and Wigan I guess is that the losses at the former are driven largely by big amounts of depreciation on the stadium. At Wigan they are driven by trading losses - i.e. (pre-Covid obviously) EBITDA at Wigan will be negative whereas Saints tend towards breaking even. This means Wigan will be leaking cash whereas Saints won't be.'"
So saints losses over the last say 10 years are only through depreciation of the stadium? OK
Operating losses of over circa 700k, 500k,1.1million, 450k and 330k over the previous 5 years are based on depreciation of the stadium? (I think Rogues posted that saints had lost summat like 12million over the same period as Leneghams has owned Wigan and lost 4million)
And because colman converted those losses into shares and "effectively owns them" because they owe him circa 22million its better than Leneghan/Danson owning Wigan and being owed 6m how?
If Leneghan walks and we have no buyer were in trouble, we would certainly ly need to reduce costs in the short term.
I wonder how that is different to any other club out there?
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| Quote: Jukesays "So saints losses over the last say 10 years are only through depreciation of the stadium? OK
Operating losses of over circa 700k, 500k,1.1million, 450k and 330k over the previous 5 years are based on depreciation of the stadium? (I think Rogues posted that saints had lost summat like 12million over the same period as Leneghams has owned Wigan and lost 4million)
And because colman converted those losses into shares and "effectively owns them" because they owe him circa 22million its better than Leneghan/Danson owning Wigan and being owed 6m how?
If Leneghan walks and we have no buyer were in trouble, we would certainly ly need to reduce costs in the short term.
I wonder how that is different to any other club out there?'"
If IL walks then would Danson not take control? Think we'd be ok there.
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