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35760_1643651369.jpg [quote="Rogues Gallery"]I'm with LondonRobster on this.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_35760.jpg |
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| Quote: Deano G "IF we have got him fitter than when he arrived, without apparently harming his ability to smash through defences then why not see if we can get him a bit fitter?'"
I imagine they have worked out incresing his 'fitness' will reduce his effectiveness if its taken any further.
He is probably at his optimum weight to fitness for the job we want him to do.
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7007.jpg [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp]
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| Quote: LondonRobster "I imagine they have worked out incresing his 'fitness' will reduce his effectiveness if its taken any further.
He is probably at his optimum weight to fitness for the job we want him to do.'"
OK, let's just agree to disagree on this one. In attack he is a fearsome sight for any opposition but I hope his lack of mobility in defence after he's been on for a few minutes is not exposed by Saints tomorrow.
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| Quote: LovesToSpooge "Thank god Noble won't be here next year, Long has just revealed on BBC Manc that he was offered a contract by us but turned it down because he didn't know who the coach would be next year. Dodged a bullet there.'"
![Laughing icon_lol.gif](images/smilies//icon_lol.gif) Presumably he left out the bit about wanting more money than Wigan were prepared to pay him.
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| Quote: AJ "Thats what happens at every club in the league and in most cases every club in sport. Its not a Noble thing, its a sports management thing.'"
I am not sure you read the bit of my post you quoted properly if you are suggesting Noble does what I said.
What I said wasif he does well he should keep his place and the first team player should have to earn his place back. If the young player fades after a few games then he has lost his place for a reason not because [ihe automatically gets dropped as soon as the 1st team player is fit[/i."
Noble does not do the bits in bold but does do the bit in italics.
This IMO leads inevitably to what I said next which was:
"The bottom line is we have a large squad at Wigan with no competition for places under Noble. "
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| Quote: Hoops "
I think there has been good and bad, with escaping relegation and the excellence of the junior teams being the main upsides, but these have been outweighed by the downsides. We have also put in some stunning performances, which is a two edged sword in that you could ask why we couldn’t do that more often. '"
When I read your summary, which was vary fair I thought, the above stood out for me because it highlights something I have been trying to express for a while now.
People who think Nobby is great and should stay mention two things constantly. Avoiding relegation and the playoff form.
These represent extremes and if you want to see the real picture what you do in statistics is to ignore the extreme values as they distort the overall picture. If you want to see the real trends remove the exceptional results and look at the rest.
If you do this with Nobby's time here its does not look so good. Of course we are all excited by the playoffs so why should you remove them form consideration? You do so because if you want to really be challenging for the trophy's you need to get the consistency and performance up across the season and just looking at the relegation year or semi final appearances masks what is really going on.
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| Quote: DaveO "
"With a few exceptions if a player comes in for an injured or suspended player then regardless of his age if he does well he should keep his place and the first team player should have to earn his place back. If the young player fades after a few games then he has lost his place for a reason not because [ihe automatically gets dropped as soon as the 1st team player is fit[/i."
Noble does not do the bits in bold but does do the bit in italics.
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You clearly didnt read my post then, ill try again. All coaches do that in all sports. I will list some examples:
Daniel Anderson always brought Long etc back into the team straight away saying "they had enough credits with him to play"
Watkins did okay at Leeds didn't he? But when Senior was fit, he was straight back in, Bluey must have got that one wrong as well I assume...
Now, one more - Sir Alex Ferguson, Rio Ferdinand has had a few injury problems as of late, but as soon as he is fit Johnny Evans/Wes Brown are dropped for Ferdinand, as are other players. Last year would he leave Ronaldo out if Ji Sung Park had played well the week before - NO. Danny Welbeck is another example, the lad scored against Wolves in the league cup the other week, so by your theory should keep his place, what happened - Wayne Rooney came back in. So is Fergie wrong as well, or do you just limit this bizarre line of blame at Noble's door.
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| Quote: DaveO "If you do this with Nobby's time here its does not look so good. Of course we are all excited by the playoffs so why should you remove them form consideration? You do so because if you want to really be challenging for the trophy's you need to get the consistency and performance up across the season and just looking at the relegation year or semi final appearances masks what is really going on.'"
So is reaching semi finals not challenging for trophies? Just out of interest, because I want to bare that in mind for when the new coach takes over.
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3632_1352982335.jpg Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery.......
I will look to the moment, and miraculously, the future will take care of itself.
Radio 5 Live, Sat, April 14th, 2007,...Dave Whelan, "In Wigan, rugby will always be king"
'I was certain, positive, convinced, and yet..........unsure'
'It's only rock 'n' roll, but I like it'
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Or the length of contract we offered.
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| Quote: AJ "So is reaching semi finals not challenging for trophies? Just out of interest, because I want to bare that in mind for when the new coach takes over.'"
Is reaching the third round challenging?
The club at the start of the season will have a list of goal. Some clubs like Hull kr did this year will publicise them, some wont.
If come the end of the season BN has reached those goals, then why not extend his contract? If he hasnt, why not? And why extend his contract?
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| Quote: Clearwing "Don't know if Long can be taken seriously, but if this is true it rather confirms noble's perceived mistrust of young talent.'"
Explain.
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| Quote: AJ "So is reaching semi finals not challenging for trophies? Just out of interest, because I want to bare that in mind for when the new coach takes over.'"
I said [ireally[/i be challenging for trophies. To do that IMO you have to challenge from a position of strength not be doing so on a wing and a prayer hoping you are not too shattered due to starting from 6th.
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| Quote: Clearwing "news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/st_helens/8286350.stm
Don't know if Long can be taken seriously, but if this is true it rather confirms noble's perceived mistrust of young talent.'"
I've not read that article, and frankly I can't be bothered reading it. But there's a generally perceived wisdom that it's best not to take seriously anything Sean Long says.
Skilled player or not, his antics (in very recent times, not just when he was a kid) have brought embarrassment to the game as a whole. That's not something you can say Brian Noble has ever done.
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| Quote: AJ "Explain.'"
![Embarassed icon_surprised.gifops:](images/smilies//icon_redface.gif) Sorry - for some reason I thought that Noble was involved in the approach. The article doesn't say this.
Ignore me.
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| Quote: AJ "Dave,
You clearly didnt read my post then, ill try again. All coaches do that in all sports. I will list some examples
Like I said you didn't read my post properly.
I didn't think I'd have to spell it out line by line but what I said wasWith a few exceptions if a player comes in for an injured or suspended player then regardless of his age if he does well he should keep his place
Now if we had a world class player like Rooney injured and getting back fit then he would be one of the exceptions but the fact of the matter is we don't have many such players in our team do we?
How may players in RL terms do we have who are comparable to him or Ronaldo?
By the very nature of the salary cap we have some good players in the 1st 17 and some squad players. The squad players should earn their place back if their replacement has done well.
Noble treats them all as if they are Ronaldo and so therefore your analogy is pants ![Wink icon_wink.gif](images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
Also you seem to ignoring the point about competition for places. If your stance is correct and all first 17 team players are shoe in's to walk right back into the side when fit (which is the only way your post can be taken) there is none.
Dave
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