There is nothing to say they haven't tried and as Grimmy says he just doesn't want to go

You do realise I have absolutely no control over who we sign don't you? I also said I would try to sign him. I'm just more realistic, I understand that it's not the 80s anymore where we can just sign whoever we want.

Is this useless gawp under contract for 2021 or can we let him go at the end of the year?
(Either way, I fully expect him to remain into 2021 by the way)

Lam said last week or so that he didn't have a contract with us for 2021.

Anyone who had a Leeds / Salford double can afford to drink the good stuff tonight.

The difference between us now and under Mo is that the current squad has plenty of youngsters to give us depth (as it should be).

Of course we need those squad type lads, but I'd argue we've got too many. I'd point to Hank and Bibby as perfect examples - do we need both? Could you take one of those and the salary of say a Clubb and get one decent player instead? With Bateman here next year, do we need him, Isa and Smithies + Greenwood & Faz? Zak is a great lad, but we're playing him at centre - is that the best use of his salary? There's a lot of filler imo.

Completely agree on the Saint's thing. It's a massive worry for me how far back the game has gone, but if you listen to some then it's never been better.

Youngsters still need to be paid.

Agree on the middle part though. Our squad is a little unbalanced IMO but we still need to have those filler type players.

He sounded like he wasn’t convinced he’d be here next year when he spoke to Jenna Brooks last week on the Sky podcast. I’m hoping he’s been told that we had to win a trophy or else he’s gone because after not reaching a final last year, it would be the only thing to save him now for me. The team are devoid of ideas, relying on individual moments to see them through and the only thing that seems to win us games is a steel that’s been instilled in to these lads over a decade by other coaches.

Lam came in as a caretaker and it still feels like he is one. Ian Lenagan hasn’t got much wrong in his time at Wigan but the call to wait 12 months for Edwards to take over was one hell of a blunder. He either wanted the job or he didn’t and if he didn’t want it straight away, he shouldn’t have been considered. We need to have a clean break from all that nonsense for next season and get a new man in who we believe will be here long term.

I think is key and why I'm leaning towards Watson as my first choice. Part of me would love us to circuit break the club and league with another Madge or Holbrook, but realistically those guy are only 2 - 3 year options.

If Watson could come in, improve the lads we have and get us to a final then he'd probably be here for 5 + years imo.

He sounds like a man who knows he won’t be here. The podcast on Sky, the post match interviews. It’s like he’s lost interest because he knows the job isn’t his come the final whistle of our last game this season.

I think fondly of Lam from his time here as a player, he’ll always be thought of fondly for that and his work with the youth and blooding them in. Perhaps sometimes at the wrong time but he’s given them a shot and kept faith in them mostly too. I’m gutted it hasn’t worked out for him but times time. He needs to leave and the whole back room staff be overhauled. This is the end of the cycle started by Madge in 2010, it’s time for new staff with new ideas and a better way of working.

Why stop at Watson? Let's get Trent Robinson! He can bring tedesco with him too. We are Wigan after all.

FWIW with two finals under his belt, Watson is ahead of what Robinson was at the same points in his career..

You need a lot more than a new coach.

A pack, 2 half backs and a full back at bare minimum

Just listened to Lam on Wigan TV. Same old quote

“I can’t put my finger on what went wrong”

If you can’t then you should be the head coach of Wigan Rugby League.

Yes the squad isn’t perfect, but more than capable of being at least competitive with Leeds (and saints and Salford last year in the semis)