You say this like we have already won the CC....on current form and performance, we will get mauled by Hull.

At the start of the year would you have taken the WCC, scraping into the super 8's, scraping into a CCF (where we should of lost to Warrington and played a poor Salford), subsequent defeat in the CCF and an 8th placed finish?

Because realistically, that is what we have had and should expect. I wouldn't. The season we have had is a poor showing all round.

I am genuinely unsure what changes can or will be made.

Wane needs replacing and the "old boys club" needs breaking up and i include the chief exec in this.

Mass panic is not needed, we need some changes in the playing staff without a doubt.

I would switch Powell in to 7 and leave TL as backup hooker - can't be any worse and must be worth a try, might take a game or two to settle in but surely got to be better than watching Tommy flounder - I groaned every time the ball went to him to kick as you knew it was going to be a rubbish effort - it always is. You can tell when we are playing badly Williams starts to run around in circles and completely stops any attack in it's tracks.

The halves were poor last night - very poor. Second half we looked completely lost no direction and no serious effort at times - Wane himself called it after the game.

The Gelling Bateman side looked lost in defence second half - some really lazy efforts.

Like others have said Sam at least tired and Davies was our best player by a country mile if others had shown his attitude we would have been in with a chance.

Leeds played well but we let them at times.

Will be interesting to see what the crowd will be against Huddersfield and if there are no changes what ST sales will be next year. The club is stagnating and without change will continue to do so.

Rubbish! We beat Warrington fair and square and it would have been a real injustice had they pinched it at the end. We were far superior against Salford bar a 20 minute spell where they scored 2 tries. We dominated them for a good 60 minutes of that game.

To say we scraped into the final is totally wrong. We got to the final and deserve to be there and whilst Hull hammered Leeds in their semi, I for one won't be backing against us. If we play like we can, we can win the game.

I would however bet heavily against us finishing 8th. It's time some of you lot stop expecting us to win every game every season. Leeds were better than us last night and won the game in the last 20 minutes. It was a good contest up to that point.

Some of the people who post on here seem incapable of posting unless it's doom and gloom. I'm far from a happy clapper but jeez, there's more than one team in this country!

Sweeping changes most certainly are needed. You are talking as if this season is a one off bit of bad luck and are ignoring the fact that performance are getting worse year on year. Our total lack of ideas on attack is not a new problem. It's been a source of frustration for at least two seasons now.

The goal kicking issue has never been properly addressed but what is worse than all this are the totally clueless tactics. This season despite the injuries we have been in winning positions several times and blew it.

As an example and I forget which soecifc game it was but I think it was Hull, but Mick Mac and FPN were helping Wigan dominate the game yet bang on 20 minutes Wane hauls both off. Then Hull start to dominate and batter us so what does Wane do? Leave them off until the 60th minute by which time the game is lost. We have blown games like v Wire when we drew due to similar tactical ineptitude.

We nearly blew it v Salford in the CC semi. MM goes off bang on 20 minutes and from cruising we let them right back in it.

The idea this will change next season due to a bit of luck totally ignores the fact it virtually doesn't matter who is on the pitch, the tactics are all over the place and change is needed.

You are correct Hatty I feel just the same I have loads of tapes and DVDs of Wigan's games(winning ones !)and over the last 2 years you can count on one hand the games Ive recorded as the Rugbys so boring I just didn't like watching them again, it needs a big shake up whatever form that takes,

Unfortunately hatty weakens her own argument by using 'McDonalds', 'KFC', and 'quality' in the same sentence!

But yes, I agree. As a new arrival and ST holder here, yes of course I will get one next year, but it is with much less enthusiasm now, and the chorus of complaint in the pubs is quite depressing.

I'm a he not a she

Time for the Mick Dundee test

Just read an article that stated that the Chairman said Wigan need to win 5 matches to get into the top 4 at the end of the season.

But which games are they gonna win to get the 10 points to put them into 4th ?

Friday 11/08/2017 20:00 Wigan Warriors v Huddersfield Giants

Friday 18/08/2017 20:00 Wigan Warriors v Salford Red Devils

September 2017

Friday 01/09/2017 20:00 St Helens v Wigan Warriors

Friday 08/09/2017 20:00 Hull FC vWigan Warriors

Sunday 17/09/2017 15:00 Wigan Warriors v Castleford Tigers

Saturday 23/09/2017 19:00 Wakefield Trinity v Wigan Warriors

We were god awful against Warrington in both the CCQF and the league, it was by sheer luck we didn't lose, Ratchford could & should of nailed the halfway conversion and the Dec Patton miss was lucky for us. Don't get me wrong, maybe my post comes across doom & gloom, I am happy our CC campaign is still alive, I was just pointing out that you seem to think this year is "good" and that the CC is already in the bag. It isn't and given the current form of the team, it most certainly won't.

I never expect is to win every game, please find one of my posts that say that. Leeds were far superior than us in the second half, after Wane had 15 mins to regroup and potentially change the game. They closed out the game excellently and we didn't have any answers. If we put on a display like last night against Hull we will be comprehensively beaten by half time. Simple.

I am too am far from happy, I am also a season ticket holder. I buy the training gear every year and kit both my son and daughter out in full kits. I support the club. I appreciate you have your opinion but if you genuinely believe your happy with this year then we disagree.

Made me laugh... the comment not the test
Ricky took "Hitman" so I was left with Hatty