Anyone want to talk about Mossop he is seemingly anonymous does 20 mins and he is hardly ever noticed after that,

That's true about Charnley. When Burgess gets the ball 30m out with a couple of defenders on him, he always looks he has a chance of squirming past them and heading North at a rate of knots (and sometimes does). And in fact you could say the same for Sarge. Haven't felt that about Charnley this season.

+1, and MickyMac has re introduced the obligatory forward pass at the most crucial point of the match. Wigan had no rhythm going forward last night, all the passes fell way behind or blantantly forward, on another day they would have come off. It was so dissappointing because the conditions were near perfect for our game style

Bowen wasn't the only bad thing about last night's performance but he still made crucial errors that directly led to tries. He's made errors like that far too frequently in his time at Wigan, particularly in big games. You can't fault his ability to make one on one tackles to stop breaks. He's exceptional at that. When it comes to kicks though he's been prone to silly errors. He was brilliant against Leeds after a long rest. He's had some excellent games previously too, but they've been few and far between. It seems that if we are going to see the best of Bowen he's going to have to be managed very carefully, missing games frequently.
At the moment though it's getting to the point where it's worth asking if it's sensible to persevere? These costly errors keep happening. He's a shadow of his former self and seems to struggle to be fully fit? Is it worth it? Does he offer anything that no player could replace?

Personally I think Burgess would make an excellent fullback so should be considered as an option when Manfredi returns. He's solid under the high ball, would be a bigger threat than Bowen from kicks, has bags of pace and has shown himself to have excellent handling skills too.

If not Burgess, then give Gabe Fell a few games when Bowen is out of the side. He's playing well enough for the under 19's and is a better fullback than Tierney and Hampshire.

I don't think enough credit was given to Wilkin for the kick. It was outstanding and I doubt many full backs would have taken that.

Re Charnley, it wouldn't matter who's on the right wing at the moment with Tomkins at centre, he cannot pass from left to right, all a defence needs to do is slide and wait for the inevitable backhanded pass to the winger who's then got nowhere to go.
Tomkins needs to be back in the forwards now.

A comedy of second half errors, too many penalties again, and a great deal of luck and good fortune went Saints way. No doubt they deserved the win but for me the rot started in the first half when we turned down the two points on offer and chose to run the ball to no account. Second half either we, or the Gods gifted them too many crazy points. But they say you make your own luck and they did last night.

Mostly spot on.... And I can't disagree Bowen didn't play at his best, one cock-up and one almost impossible to catch spiralling bomb. But the thing is how can we forget how good of a player he is and more importantly can be? Remember the Leeds game? you don't go from world class to sh _ _ e overnight!!!

Let's not forget this is a team sport and requires a team effort! I could go on for ages picking out the best & worst in the players on the night but there is little point, we just have to take this one on the chin.

Final thoughts John.... I think Williams is brilliant and an outstanding prospect for the future. Smith was too hyped up and desperate stick one on his hometown club that dumped him. And as for Charnley I think its sometimes as simple as a lack of confidence due to some horrendous injury's he has suffered in the recent past.... thing is on paper he is still a top try scorer!

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Bowen has been mostly e for us.

Clearly an exceptional player cashing one last cheque before he retires to the knackers yard.

Form is temporary. One blip against Leeds doesn't mask the fact that he has been poor throughout his tenure here.

I remember wigan fans saying he would be the best fullback in the league when he signed.

I will keep McDonnell thanks

Regards

King James

Good for you men, we'll give that Tomkins bloke a try