Packing his bags? I reckons he's on a plane already.

What he means by new is newER, the Stobart is newer than Knowsley.

Now you're being too gracious mate. You're wishing that Saints come out of a dip before they even go into one. Do you think they've agonised in a similar fashion these past 10 years over our exploits? They've loved every minute and they'd love it if things stayed that way. Let them wither on the vine and flounder in the wilderness for the next decade. The 1 or 2 stars they have in an ageing team will leave and their crowds will fall to sub-5000 levels. I'm going to enjoy saints decline into mediocrity every bit as much as Wigan's resurgence.

The anticipated St Helens decline is hugely exaggerated. I see no reason why they won't continue to be a title challenging side.

I posted in another thread a got told potter will be bradford coach next season

I do think they will struggle at Widnes for the next two seasons. Crowds are certain to drop to sub 6K once the novelty drops off. They only get 7-8k for the Catalans / Quins / Hudds games where they are now.

I agree, i think some people are underestimating them through pure hatred Top clubs dont just fall apart, wishful thinking though it may be!

And that is what will happen at stains over the next few years

It will be intresting to see if they chuck cash at ozzy players

if, as rumoured, we have signed Shenton and Perry for next season - I am happy with the squad being one of the best in the competition. A lot will depend on the coach who gets appointed obviously, but I am not concerned about any impending doom looming on the horizon.

this decline has apparantly been about to happen for about 10 years now...."you wont be able to replace Martyn/Newlove/Sullivan/Joynt" was replaced with "you wont be able to replace Long/Sculthorpe/Albert/Gleeson/Talau" - and now we are getting "you wont be able to replace Cunningham/Wellens/Gidley/Meli".

We replaced all the "irreplaceable" stars of the early 2000's - I see no major reason why we wont be able to replace the latest bunch.

People said Sullivan, Talau and Meli are irreplaceable?

He is actually very replaceable, as is Wellens at this age.

We've been in decline for about 10 years according to you lot, one derby loss and suddenly we're going to fall off the map!

We're only 4 points behind you despite nonsensical injuries levels in the backs this year. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we topped SL and made the cup final, I'd take that as far as withering on the vine is concerned.