I think it proves what he said about them playing off the cuff rugby and an offloading game doesn't it?

When a guy makes the same amount of offloads in 5 games as he did in the whole of the season before that to me says he's under instruction to keep the ball alive. Like them or Loathe them Wire are playing some super stuff this year and i'm enjoying watching them.

I shall be cheering the Bulls on after mind

NickyKiss answered that pretty well.

Second bit I wouldn't say we are playing like Saints in that way more in the way of keeping the ball alive offloading in the tackle etc.

I agree entirely. Amos Roberts stated in the match day programme that Madge has allowed him to come in field and play his game more rather then being stuck on the wing and being one dimensional. He also went on to say how important a good start was and how just playing at the end of the season wasn't good enough. I think that speaks volumes about the differences with the two coaches. Players have to be professional in what they say, but that was the clearest indication on how they must all be feeling about the two coaches. Have you ever seen Stuart Fielden look so happy?

That team last night was exactly the same team Brian Noble had whilst at Wigan (Deacon didn't play). What we saw was a dominant performance and a team playing with plenty of confidence and enthusiasm. We were much more clinical, inventive and thorough in our attack. Players knew where to be. We have even started to use the prop forwards in our attack close to the line! Last year we had players who would get the ball and then just stop and get closed down. We were too slow and too flat. MaGuire has made a massive change to the team and the way we play our game. Yes, the fitness of the players has played an important part to the way the team is performing, but Brian Noble could have changed things around had he wanted to.What was stopping him? Ian Lenagan publically disagreed with Noble after the St.helens match when BN came out with ficticious rubbish about 'the rugby gods weren't with us'. The 'rugby gods' don't exist and that was an awful analogy of the game and it was a frequent occurence of Brian Noble who used the same cliches all the time regarding our performances - 'bad day in the office' - and all that garbage. Lenagan was right when he said this team could do a whole lot better and so far he has been proven correct. He also publically criticised the condition of the players and said they needed to be a whole lot fitter and he was correct.

I stay quiet on this issue most of the time because either way it doesn't matter. I am just pleased to see us playing fantastic rugby and doing so well, but at times it irritates me how people bizarrely cannot see the difference in the two sides (or at least choose to ignore it) and what a monumental difference the coaching staff have made to the team. People who don't agree with their views or support their agendas get slated by the collective clique on this board and it is ridiculous. DaveO gets ridiculed if people don't agree with his views and yet people on this board are as bad if not worse!

Got to agree there Dave. The difference is WAY too marked to be attributed soley to fitness.

yes it's not only the coaching but the whole way the club is now being run, a good insight is to listen to Rads in the South Stand bar at the post match presentation, we are a team again.
Example, in the team meeting before the Hull game, it was HH's 150th game for the club, he was presented with a special match shirt with 150 embroidered on it, and HH said that this was a great honour. It's a culmination of all these little things going on behind the scene's that shows on the pitch, long may it continue.

You might try following your own advice before posting the tripe you did.



I do indeed and all I did was express it without resorting to insults or belittling anyone.



But I didn't. I merely offered an opinion as we all do which several people share without, as I said, resorting to insults or belittling language. You in contrast are someone doing the shouting down and I'd stop now if I were you. You have already lost the argument and carrying on makes you look foolish.

Dave

And I didn't use the word insult either. I said you turned it personal and you did. There was IMO nothing wrong with my post but it seems if I disagree with a point of view it must be because "I think I am always right".

It's ridiculous but I have yet to see anyone post an opinion they thought was wrong!

Dave

Reading this forum you’d think that Nobel is a marked man in Wigan just like Peter Risdale is a marked man in Leeds.

This thread is absolutely ridiculous, the rugby we are playing is miles more entertaining and far less predictable than we played under Noble. Nothing Dave has said demonstrates an 'I'm always right' attitude yet those criticising him are acting like pathetic school children. If the only argument people can come up with is a personal attack then I suggest you grow up and grow an opinion.

Maybe certain people are a bit miffed that everything negative that was said about Nobby in the past is being shown to be true:

He couldn't motivate his players.
He needed to drop players from time to time in order for them to improve.
He needed to put pressure on players to lose weight but didn't.
He needed to let players play to their natural strengths rather than what he perceived their role to be.
He wasn't interested in winning games early on in the season but didn't use this as a reason to give young players the chance to get some experience under their belts, instead he relied on them when it did matter due to injuries which ocurred in games which apparently didn't.

For goodness sake people even argued after 3 years that it wasn't even Nobby's team but it sure as hell seems now that people have changed their tunes a bit.

Have your opinions by all means that's what forums are about but accusing someone of being a know-it-all for having a logical writing style is totally uncalled for. If the club had listened to half of you lot there's no way we'd be top of the table with the best attacking points difference.

As for the post by Damo, most of us acknowledge that Nobby helped save us from relegation but it was time for him to move on probably a year before he went. Progressive coaches are able to learn from their mistakes and target areas for improvement. I have nothing against him as a person, despite some of the rumours about his private life but it seems like there can be a million and one positive posts about Nobby but woe betide anyone who says anything negative about him.

He's gone and everything is pointing to the fact that Wigan were right to let him go.

Mate, dealing with criticism isn't a strong point of yours it? nor is making petulant replys.
For the record, I refering to your posts as a whole rather than a certain one. I would have thought that was clear!
I could go through your post line by line (it's very funny), buy i'll leave it to others to laught at your total lack of self-awareness.
I'll leave it there. Enjoy your rugby dude!

Was your previous post to Dave a deliberate attempt at irony or what?

Listen to people's views they're all valid, except yours.

"We are all individuals"
"yes we are all individuals"
"I'm not"

Forums are for opinions, Dave is obviously giving his opinion and shouldn't have to put up with personal attacks and snide comments from anyone. The comments made on here are invariably based on him and his style not based on what he said. If people focused on commenting on people's words rather than their personalities, as they see them, then we wouldn't have a situation where most threads get sidelined by bitchiness and mockery. As some people won't agree with me this will probably be described as a rant (a ploy which anyone who has been using internet forums for as long as I have will know that these are well known tactics used by people unable or unwilling respond logically to any relevant points made). Whatever perceived faults Dave may have, dodging a question so blatantly is not one of them.

If you think Dave is wrong, here's a suggestion, why not counter his opinion with your own opinion? Do that and *Bingo* we've got ourselves a discussion.