The bloke ran for 140 metres against a revved up Catalans pack in the first game (including several props missing from the team that nilled Wigan) - that was pretty much double any other prop

Tough crowd!

Good point - he probably made all his metres in the 8 minutes left in the game after Napa got sent off

What does world class matter anyway. You could say that Williams and Widdop are world class, don't see it helping Wire win the Grand Final this year.

Batemans stats don't include his part game at centre as it was in a the Challenge Cup and for whatever reason those stats don't get published.

No, no you couldn't.

There's at least 10+ superior HB's knocking around. How can you then be world classed as world class?

Well I'm glad you're finally admitting defeat. It's about time!

You're speaking as if I'm denying Walmsley as world class. I'm not and have said numerous times that I believe he is. What I am not understanding is how it's only someone in a Saints shirt who can be world class. If you're claiming "what we've all constantly seen for years with our own eyes" as the arbiter then that applies equally to Bateman, who has done what Walmsley has done and more.

Or he goes to the NRL and kills it. The true test.

Saints are poop and always will be

Going back to how this thread started...............how good would Walmsley be if he played the ball where he was tackled and not 5 yards further forward?

I actually this sometimes hinders us as well, as he slows the play the ball down by messing about and remonstrating with the ref. It's probably my only complaint with him that far too often he looks up and delays the play the ball instead of just getting on with it. Not saying he never moves off the mark, he certainly does. That's a rule that winds me up as no refs seem to bother much with it. But specifically with Walmsley, if you watch him you'll see it's a hindrance to us as much of a benefit at times, as he does faff about and actually slows the play the ball down.