He’s had that sort of impact for sure although he looks a little less ruthless (maybe that’s why they’ve struggled in big games). He’ll be a loss to the league IMO.

True but as long as it hurts Saints....
Seriously though it raises lots of interesting points. Will he leave with real silverware? Will any Saints players go with him? Who will replace him?

Had he? This is Holbrook’s second season effectively (we were already out of the cup and floundering in SL when he arrived in 2017).

Madge won the CC at the second attempt - Holbrook is in the final at the second attempt.

Madge won the LLS and SL in his first season, Holbrook won the LLS but fell short by a late try in the SL semi.

If he wins the treble this year (big if!!!!) he’ll have achieved more than Madge and done it without some of the less savoury aspects of Madge’s approach whilst at Wigan. Madge didn’t make too many friends outside of Wigan with his approach to RL, I think Holbrooks Saints are viewed a bit differently.

There is also an argument to say Madge took Wogan backwards in his second season, finishing second vs LLS and limping out of the play-offs with two losses to a Saints team boasting rookie halves. I think most would agree saints look a more complete team this season.

But you need to win things to be remembered, we’ll see how he gets on!

And if I win the lottery (which I have a ticket for) I’ll be a millionaire. You can’t judge what Holbrook might do against what Madge did do. If Holbrook again fails to win a major trophy then he can’t really be judged as a success.

I completely agree - said as much in my final line chap.

It's if he takes anyone with him that could really hurt them quickly.
Can't see Thompson going yet, he doesn't need the cash and wants to win stuff with his home town team, Knowles would be a big loss but I've no idea about his contract situation.

madge had a better team around him

Madge was told to win the CC as it was worth more money than the GF, it was a different team also a bit like saints this year.

There's more than a little Saints spin on that appraisal to be fair. In his first season and a half(ish) Holbrook won the LLS. That is a worse return (or the same return if you ignore 2017 which, at the very least allowed him to hit the ground running in 201icon_cool.gif as Shaun Wane in his first season and no one argues that that was a successful season. I can absolutely guarantee no Saints fan would argue it was! It doesn't matter how you lost in the semi. That's just ifs and buts. His 1st season was nowhere near that of Madges who inherited a struggling club and with the addition of just one player in the twilight of his career and that most considered past his best, turned them into champions.

If Holbrook adds the treble this season then his second full season will have been more successful than Madge's second but, realistically, anything less than a Grand Final win and he hasn't been as successful overall.

Who me?!

I agree entirely, that’s why it was all couched in a treble winning season with the explicit statements that o my trophies are remembered.

He's definitely gone. Was in the Aussie press today. I'm assuming the players already knew which might account for their sub-par performance on Saturday as the same thing happened to us after Wane's similar announcement last season.

That's possible but I remember it's what we said around this time last year and quite the reverse happened. I guess a dip in form won't hurt you too much as long as it doesn't coincide with the important games at the end of the season but a tailspin isn't always easy to get out of. Interesting to see how the players respond over the next couple of weeks.