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| Quote: [Gareth] ""I cant believe the amount of s***e in this thread. im glad the saints fans dont come on this forum much anymore'"
I didn’t think we’d rival the Covid one but we’re giving it a reet old crack  |
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On Bateman, there's a lot of "since coming back" type arguments as if it's been years. It's ONE SEASON! He's been fine this year including winning MOM from centre in the last game. Has he put in "world class" performances so far this year? No. But neither has anyone else, including Walmsley. World class performances come in world class games and there hasn't been any of those in Superleague thus far this year.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "I didn’t think we’d rival the Covid one but we’re giving it a reet old crack ![]()
What's causing it is the "I never said that" type arguments. It's clear what someone is getting at most of the time but, for some reason, it's become less about the principal and all about the exact wording. The YG "you said never" argument being the best example.
It's a shame really because I think opposition fans posting can add plenty to the discussion. Arguing semantics for their own sake, however, is just tedious.
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| Quote: Phuzzy "What's causing it is the "I never said that" type arguments. It's clear what someone is getting at most of the time but, for some reason, it's become less about the principal and all about the exact wording. The YG "you said never" argument being the best example.
It's a shame really because I think opposition fans posting can add plenty to the discussion. Arguing semantics for their own sake, however, is just tedious.'"
Crazy thing is everyone broadly agrees. On this one Walmsley is world class but could cement it with a top World Cup. Bateman either is or very recently was World Class and he absolutely has proven that at the highest level. There currently are no other world class players on either side but Saints in general do have better players at this moment in time. They’re a top side and we need to try and catch them. The league in general is a very poor standard at the moment but hopefully Saints being as far clear as they are will force other teams to raise their standards.
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-They’ve only had one game in four and a bit years with 5 first teamers missing (couldn’t resist)
I don’t think I’ve missed much in terms of the current lay of the land but it’s all opinion. |
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Has he put in "world class" performances so far this year? No. But neither has anyone else, including Walmsley.'"
The bloke ran for 140 metres against a revved up Catalans pack in the first game (including several props missing from the team that nilled Wigan) - that was pretty much double any other prop 
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| Quote: FearTheVee "The bloke ran for 140 metres against a revved up Catalans pack in the first game (including several props missing from the team that nilled Wigan) - that was pretty much double any other prop ![]()
12 man catalans?
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| Quote: Pieman "12 man catalans?'"
Good point - he probably made all his metres in the 8 minutes left in the game after Napa got sent off  |
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| Quote: FearTheVee "Good point - he probably made all his metres in the 8 minutes left in the game after Napa got sent off ![]()
....was that the only time they had 12 men?
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| Quote: FearTheVee "The bloke ran for 140 metres against a revved up Catalans pack in the first game (including several props missing from the team that nilled Wigan) - that was pretty much double any other prop ![]()
And that was a top class superleague performance. If he does the same in the world cup against the best in the world that'll be world class.
Just for the record Bateman has run 100 plus metres several times this season including 158 on one occasion yet you said he's been nowhere near world class. Tough crowd indeed. Or should I say make your mind up? 
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What does world class matter anyway. You could say that Williams and Widdop are world class, don't see it helping Wire win the Grand Final this year.
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| Quote: Phuzzy "And that was a top class superleague performance. If he does the same in the world cup against the best in the world that'll be world class.
Just for the record Bateman has run 100 plus metres several times this season including 158 on one occasion yet you said he's been nowhere near world class. Tough crowd indeed. Or should I say make your mind up? ![]()
OK OK he doesn’t perform in a world class manner for a prop, he makes his ground in easy situations against 12 men and Bateman makes harder yards playing centre and/or against lesser teams than Catalans and has been just as good. Fair enough
I admit defeat - what we have all constantly seen with our own eyes for years is irrelevant and he’s only a world class prop if he tramples Australia in the World Cup.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "The bloke ran for 140 metres against a revved up Catalans pack in the first game (including several props missing from the team that nilled Wigan) - that was pretty much double any other prop ![]()
I think any Wigan fan posting on Redvee would find the crowd a lot tougher.
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SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "OK OK he doesn’t perform in a world class manner for a prop, he makes his ground in easy situations against 12 men and Bateman makes harder yards playing centre and/or against lesser teams than Catalans and has been just as good. Fair enough
I admit defeat - what we have all constantly seen with our own eyes for years is irrelevant and he’s only a world class prop if he tramples Australia in the World Cup.'"
Batemans stats don't include his part game at centre as it was in a the Challenge Cup and for whatever reason those stats don't get published. |
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| Quote: RogerMoore "What does world class matter anyway. You could say that Williams and Widdop are world class, don't see it helping Wire win the Grand Final this year.'"
No, no you couldn't.
There's at least 10+ superior HB's knocking around. How can you then be world classed as world class? |
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| Quote: FearTheVee "OK OK he doesn’t perform in a world class manner for a prop, he makes his ground in easy situations against 12 men and Bateman makes harder yards playing centre and/or against lesser teams than Catalans and has been just as good. Fair enough
I admit defeat - what we have all constantly seen with our own eyes for years is irrelevant and he’s only a world class prop if he tramples Australia in the World Cup.'"
Well I'm glad you're finally admitting defeat. It's about time!
You're speaking as if I'm denying Walmsley as world class. I'm not and have said numerous times that I believe he is. What I am not understanding is how it's only someone in a Saints shirt who can be world class. If you're claiming "what we've all constantly seen for years with our own eyes" as the arbiter then that applies equally to Bateman, who has done what Walmsley has done and more. |
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