You are always causing trouble on here with snide comments all the time, you spend more time on here than the saints board

I think it may have been the Sydney Herald site but not 100% sure (seen them somewhere online).

We made about 1050m to there 1100m but our missed tackles hurt us (about 32 to 19 iirc). Everything else was much the same.

A mixture of nerves and concentration kept us out of that game IMO. At our very best we may have gone close but it wasn't to be.

That's a good comparison. Nervy start, few daft mistakes, let in some soft tries and by the time we actually got in to the game we were chasing the score board too much, then a further couple of errors killed our chances completely. I bet the players wish they could have that first 20 mins again, I think the occassion just got to quite a few of them.

Maybe Wane got them wound up too much. Before the match was looking at the quotes regarding when we beat the Broncos and how laid back that trip seemed to be. Hindsight is a wonderful thing though i suppose

The Wigan team were well prepared for the game. Any nerves would be down to inexperience. However the way they aquitted themselves in the second half may well stand them in good stead for the future. The fact that they didn't get 60 put on them, which I believe every other team in super League would have, surely will give them added belief in themselves.

There is no doubt in my mind that with Sam, Pat, HH and Mossop in the team we would have played better - but still come up short. The experience gained by the likes of Sarginson, Burgess, Taylor, Crosby and Bateman may well help them to mature more quickly as players. We'll see. If IL promises SW that he won't sell any more players then this group could dominate Super League for years to come.

At the minute there's no way such a promise can be made. I've got a feeling we'll lose Charnley and Taylor at the end of this season. Players like faz and mcilorum will surely be on the immediate NRL radar also. The defining point is whether the player fancies the move or not, and if they do there's not a lot SL clubs can do to prevent it.

I agree.

But Leeds seem to be keeping hold of Watkins and Hall. We should be trying to do the same with Josh.

When people ask me why I say Wigan fans can be arrogant and deluded I just don't know what to say...

Well, I gave a point of view, which was - Wigan did well after the first 20 minutes. Every other team in Super League would have shipped 60 at that point, IMO of course. If you disagree then say so. The charge of arrogance I can live with...but delusional?

Sometimes a game just gets away from you especially when playing a top team who penalise you when you make an error.

It's like the comparison between premiership football and European. In the premiership you can give the ball away and expect to get it back almost straight away, against top European teams you don't get it back.

There were some pretty soft tries in there from our mistakes which was a shame as for large parts of the game we matched them.

Wrong on all accounts. I am just giving my opinions on the games, as have many Wigan fans. Why don't you go and chastise all the Wigan fans who have given negative comments about the game?

Keep on posting mate. Your presence adds to the debate.

Goulding was the second worst player on the pitch after Bowen, he rushed out the line a number of times