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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: jonh "I have heard Maguire has already clinched a high profile personal sponsorship, apparently he is being supported by Viagra in the hope he can finally get Wigan past a semi.'"


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Quote: jonh "I have heard Maguire has already clinched a high profile personal sponsorship, apparently he is being supported by Viagra in the hope he can finally get Wigan past a semi.'"


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Quote: Eric_Cartman_is_a_saint "Eric Pollard has publicly announced that he expects MM to deliver a trophy in his first season
Wigan havent been that far off a trophy this season, but for some 50/50 decisions going our way it might have been Wigan in the final this weekend, what's to see if MM is as good as people think he cant give them that little bit more of a push to win something?

However, there are a couple of questions that I have. Cruncher, I see you have replied, to Cartman and usually arent short of an opinion anyway icon_wink.gif. So i'll ask you.

1.) Lenagan apparently told Noble before the Saints game that he wasn't going to stay? What would you as Wigan fans have thought if you had beat us and gone on to win the final, and then Noble went? (Not forgetting Hindsight is a wonderful thing.)

2.) MM has been praised very highly by Bellamy (which is a good start.) However, he has never been a head coach before. Do you think the high expectations are warranted considering not much is known about him.? I.e Team selection, how will he react? If the team doesn't take to his ways immediately, how would he react? I think there are still many unknowns here. It's slightly different when your on your own instead of working with someone.

For what it's worth I do think it's a good appointment, and Shaun Wane obviously bleeds Wigan. However, I still think he has to prove a few things to warrant the level of excitement on here.

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Quote: JLM23 "Wigan havent been that far off a trophy this season, but for some 50/50 decisions going our way it might have been Wigan in the final this weekend, what's to see if MM is as good as people think he cant give them that little bit more of a push to win something?

However, there are a couple of questions that I have. Cruncher, I see you have replied, to Cartman and usually arent short of an opinion anyway
I'll throw number 1) back to you for Harry Potter, personally even if we'd made the GF and won it, i feel Noble had done as much as he could and we were never going to be a consistently good side under him

Number 2) He may not have much of a public profile but apparently his name has been brought up in the coaching circles of the NRL time and again, including for a number of First Grade Jobs.

People are just excited about this, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that - it is after all a sport for the purposes of entertainment, and if we can't at least try and be upbeat, why should we bother following a team at all.

Just my $0.02

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Quote: JLM23 "Wigan havent been that far off a trophy this season, but for some 50/50 decisions going our way it might have been Wigan in the final this weekend, what's to see if MM is as good as people think he cant give them that little bit more of a push to win something?

However, there are a couple of questions that I have. Cruncher, I see you have replied, to Cartman and usually arent short of an opinion anyway
I think others have answered these questions already, but ...

1) If Wigan had won the GF, there's no doubt it would have been difficult for those who have advocated that Noble's time was up. Interestingly, IL said at the conference that Nobby may well have been retained had we won the CC, but he didn't mention the GF. I'm guessing that's because the MM deal was already sewn up by the time of the GF. And that may be the way we have to look at it - that it was a matter of practicalities at that stage. As you rightly say, hindsight is a wonderful thing, and that's the tack we would have had to take - that all contracts were signed by the end of the season, out of necessity, and there'd have been nothing that any of us could do about it.

How would I personally have felt? Well, I think that, if we'd won the GF, it would have been an emotional wrench to then have to say goodbye to Nobby. But the reality, IMO, is that Wigan have not improved adequately under his stewardship. There've been some highs, but there've been a lot of lows, and what lies in between - i.e. average mediocrity - was on show for the rest of the time. In the semi at Saints, for example, Wigan didn't play well. They were brave and there was lots of effort, but they still lacked organisation, technique, tactical thinking, incisiveness, etc. Saints won because they were better in all these areas. And that's pretty well been the story of Wigan under Brian Noble. That, for me, would have carried more weight in the long run than winning the GF.

2) There is undoubtedly a gamble factor with MM. But I don't think we, as Wigan fans, can ask for more than that the new coach be imported from the very fulcrum of cutting-edge RL thinking, which is Melbourne. I hear the view expressed a lot that being an assistant coach is no preparation for being a head-coach. But that's clearly nonsensical, because that's exactly what it is - and the proof is that nearly all the top coaches in the world were assistant coaches at one time or other. I also would say - and I hate admitting this - that I think being an assistant coach at the very top end of the NRL is probably at least as challenging as being a head coach in SL. He'll have been surrounded by far more abrasive and demanding characters. He'll have been judged far more ruthlessly, by the press, by his employers, by players, by fans, etc, than they ever would be over here. He's far more likely to have been whizzed the first time he fouled up than he would ever be in the UK.

Will he know the Wigan players, the ethos, the town etc? No, he won't. But that, I'm sure is where the likes of Shaun Wane and Kris Radlinski come in. As you say, those lads were baptised with cherry and white water, and blooded as a players at a time when the Wigan ethos was a towering force. What more could you want as a Wigan fan?

All in all, I think the Wigan fans are right to be very happy with this development. Having lived through the Graham Lowe appointment, and having witnessed at first hand the shock caused by the sacking of the very popular multi-trophy winning 'Wigan through-and-through' coach that was Colin Clarke, and then having seen the RL revolution that Lowe brought in, not just at Wigan but all through British RL in my opinion - the dissenting voices had been silenced in less than a month - I'm very hopeful that we could be on the cusp of something special.

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Quote: JLM23 "
2.) MM has been praised very highly by Bellamy (which is a good start.) However, he has never been a head coach before. Do you think the high expectations are warranted considering not much is known about him.? I.e Team selection, how will he react? If the team doesn't take to his ways immediately, how would he react? I think there are still many unknowns here. It's slightly different when your on your own instead of working with someone.

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MM spent a month successfully coaching Melbourne alone whilst Bellamy was away with the Origin side. I think he'll do alright!

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hi ya,

I am a first time poster, long time reader to the cherry and white forum.

I live in Australia. Locally I'm a big Rooster fan (crap year, don't mention it) who wishes that we got Madge rather than Brian Smith.

But you got him, and we didn't, so i thought i'd give you a Sydney understanding of why Maguire is so highly considered and why i'm gutted.

Firstly he is a coach for whom every player wants to play for.
Secondly, he is fitness and discipline focused.
Thirdly his style is to build pressure and to "pull the trigger" only when necessary. this style doesn't need flashy halves or any particular position to be overplayed. the toilers can contribute as well as the special talents. as a fan i like this becuase at Easts we have a board that keeps trying to buy success with lots of poor recruitment choices to fill in the gaps created by poor coaching styles.
Fourthly, his columns in Big League have been a revelation for us fans. he writes about difficult topics such as bench use and defense patterns really simply.
reason Five, he seems to be an easy going bloke on TV which is a change from grumpy paternal figures like Brian Smith.
Reason 6, Maguire, Bellamy and Kearney have pushed the idea that coaching is a total organisation job. everything starts and ends with the coaching staff - front office, recruitment, fitness, community relations, fans involvement, specialist skills, eduication and welfare - they are all the domain of the head coach. a club wins a championship, a team only wins a game. thats the sort of motto we want at Easts (but aren't now going to get).
and finally becuase he has a reputation quite simply of being the cleverest bloke in Australia for tactics. at the Storm he was the attacking coach (not the backs coach as others have written). the Storm playbook is his invention, Bellamy confirmed that a few weeks ago on a radio interview. did you see the semi final of Storm versus Broncos? there was about 3 backline moves that had any league fan cheering. just clever stuff.

so, does any of this guarantee success - nup. Nothing guarantees success, but what we Easts fans want is a guy to shape the young lives and the old club into a coherent unified high performance culture. and thats what you'll get with MM. and its what i don't thijnk we'll now get at Easts with Bwian.

The Storm are a ridiculous young club. barely 12 years old. Yet their players play for each other and their jersey more than my club which is 102 years old. Thats the Bennett Way. Thats the Bellamy way. And now thats the Maguire way. and now, i dare say, that'll be the Wigan way.

Brian Smith assistants are the biggest faction of coaches out there.

Wayne Bennett assistants are the highest quality faction of coaches out there. Bellamy, Henjak, Maguire, Kearney.

Good luck to the C&W's next year. I'll be cheering from Sydney for youse all.

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Quote: Norweb "hi ya, Snip.

You are MM and i claim my £5 icon_biggrin.gif . Many thanks for that. It confirms things that many here can see when you look futher than the word "assistant". Good luck next season...

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Quote: Norweb "hi ya,

I am a first time poster, long time reader to the cherry and white forum.

I live in Australia. Locally I'm a big Rooster fan (crap year, don't mention it) who wishes that we got Madge rather than Brian Smith.

But you got him, and we didn't, so i thought i'd give you a Sydney understanding of why Maguire is so highly considered and why i'm gutted.

Firstly he is a coach for whom every player wants to play for.
Secondly, he is fitness and discipline focused.
Thirdly his style is to build pressure and to "pull the trigger" only when necessary. this style doesn't need flashy halves or any particular position to be overplayed. the toilers can contribute as well as the special talents. as a fan i like this becuase at Easts we have a board that keeps trying to buy success with lots of poor recruitment choices to fill in the gaps created by poor coaching styles.
Fourthly, his columns in Big League have been a revelation for us fans. he writes about difficult topics such as bench use and defense patterns really simply.
reason Five, he seems to be an easy going bloke on TV which is a change from grumpy paternal figures like Brian Smith.
Reason 6, Maguire, Bellamy and Kearney have pushed the idea that coaching is a total organisation job. everything starts and ends with the coaching staff - front office, recruitment, fitness, community relations, fans involvement, specialist skills, eduication and welfare - they are all the domain of the head coach. a club wins a championship, a team only wins a game. thats the sort of motto we want at Easts (but aren't now going to get).
and finally becuase he has a reputation quite simply of being the cleverest bloke in Australia for tactics. at the Storm he was the attacking coach (not the backs coach as others have written). the Storm playbook is his invention, Bellamy confirmed that a few weeks ago on a radio interview. did you see the semi final of Storm versus Broncos? there was about 3 backline moves that had any league fan cheering. just clever stuff.

so, does any of this guarantee success - nup. Nothing guarantees success, but what we Easts fans want is a guy to shape the young lives and the old club into a coherent unified high performance culture. and thats what you'll get with MM. and its what i don't thijnk we'll now get at Easts with Bwian.

The Storm are a ridiculous young club. barely 12 years old. Yet their players play for each other and their jersey more than my club which is 102 years old. Thats the Bennett Way. Thats the Bellamy way. And now thats the Maguire way. and now, i dare say, that'll be the Wigan way.

Brian Smith assistants are the biggest faction of coaches out there.

Wayne Bennett assistants are the highest quality faction of coaches out there. Bellamy, Henjak, Maguire, Kearney.

Good luck to the C&W's next year. I'll be cheering from Sydney for youse all.'"


Thanks very much, mate. This is what I'd call a ground-level view of Mike Maguire, something that up until now we haven't heard.

Shaun Wane and Ian Lenagan have waxed lyrical about Maguire's attributes, but I suppose, if you were cynical, you could argue that it would be in their interests to make the guy look good. This, however, clearly comes from someone who has no agenda, so it's very interesting and exciting. This post should be cut and pasted onto every thread on the forum, just to make sure no-one misses it.

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Quote: Cruncher "Thanks very much, mate. This is what I'd call a ground-level view of Mike Maguire, something that up until now we haven't heard.

Shaun Wane and Ian Lenagan have waxed lyrical about Maguire's attributes, but I suppose, if you were cynical, you could argue that it would be in their interests to make the guy look good. This, however, clearly comes from someone who has no agenda, so it's very interesting and exciting. This post should be cut and pasted onto every thread on the forum, just to make sure no-one misses it.'"


I agree...

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Quote: Cruncher "Thanks very much, mate. This is what I'd call a ground-level view of Mike Maguire, something that up until now we haven't heard.

Shaun Wane and Ian Lenagan have waxed lyrical about Maguire's attributes, but I suppose, if you were cynical, you could argue that it would be in their interests to make the guy look good. This, however, clearly comes from someone who has no agenda, so it's very interesting and exciting. This post should be cut and pasted onto every thread on the forum, just to make sure no-one misses it.'"


Its almost too good to be true... icon_lol.gif

Seriously, I haven't looked forward to a season as much as next season for a very long time. Not because I'm expecting us to win everything but because the pieces are finally falling into place to allow the club to get back to the top. We have the best crop of young players any team has had for many years. We have the best facilities (fixture clashes aside!). We have the best fans (as shown in the relegation battle season) and success will surely see us regain the biggest attendance crown from Leeds. We have the best brand - as angry Saints fans are finding out, no one is talking about the GF, they're all talking about Wigan...

We SHOULD be the most successful club in SL with all that going for us, which is of course why we are so feared by every other club in SL... I am so looking forward to even more hatred and bile being directed at Wigan as MM, SW and IL take the club over the next few years back where it belongs, as undisputed top dogs of British RL icon_cool.gif

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Quote: Norweb "hi ya,

I am a first time poster, long time reader to the cherry and white forum.

I live in Australia. Locally I'm a big Rooster fan (crap year, don't mention it) who wishes that we got Madge rather than Brian Smith.

But you got him, and we didn't, so i thought i'd give you a Sydney understanding of why Maguire is so highly considered and why i'm gutted.

Firstly he is a coach for whom every player wants to play for.
Secondly, he is fitness and discipline focused.
Thirdly his style is to build pressure and to "pull the trigger" only when necessary. this style doesn't need flashy halves or any particular position to be overplayed. the toilers can contribute as well as the special talents. as a fan i like this becuase at Easts we have a board that keeps trying to buy success with lots of poor recruitment choices to fill in the gaps created by poor coaching styles.
Fourthly, his columns in Big League have been a revelation for us fans. he writes about difficult topics such as bench use and defense patterns really simply.
reason Five, he seems to be an easy going bloke on TV which is a change from grumpy paternal figures like Brian Smith.
Reason 6, Maguire, Bellamy and Kearney have pushed the idea that coaching is a total organisation job. everything starts and ends with the coaching staff - front office, recruitment, fitness, community relations, fans involvement, specialist skills, eduication and welfare - they are all the domain of the head coach. a club wins a championship, a team only wins a game. thats the sort of motto we want at Easts (but aren't now going to get).
and finally becuase he has a reputation quite simply of being the cleverest bloke in Australia for tactics. at the Storm he was the attacking coach (not the backs coach as others have written). the Storm playbook is his invention, Bellamy confirmed that a few weeks ago on a radio interview. did you see the semi final of Storm versus Broncos? there was about 3 backline moves that had any league fan cheering. just clever stuff.

so, does any of this guarantee success - nup. Nothing guarantees success, but what we Easts fans want is a guy to shape the young lives and the old club into a coherent unified high performance culture. and thats what you'll get with MM. and its what i don't thijnk we'll now get at Easts with Bwian.

The Storm are a ridiculous young club. barely 12 years old. Yet their players play for each other and their jersey more than my club which is 102 years old. Thats the Bennett Way. Thats the Bellamy way. And now thats the Maguire way. and now, i dare say, that'll be the Wigan way.

Brian Smith assistants are the biggest faction of coaches out there.

Wayne Bennett assistants are the highest quality faction of coaches out there. Bellamy, Henjak, Maguire, Kearney.

Good luck to the C&W's next year. I'll be cheering from Sydney for youse all.'"


Awesome post and very informative.

I hope that gives other fans of other teams to swallow their words before they start chatting about someone they don't know about!

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You are MM and i claim my £5
yeah, fair enough. it was a bit sycophantic.

after a horrible 18 months with super legend player cum friggin' disaster coach Brad Fittler, as fans you spend a huge amount of time on the forum (ours is called The Wall) setting up your wish list of what type of coach you want to replace the incumbent.

i suppose Maguire just fit the bill in so many ways I'm still in mourning. We would have had Kearney too, but he is less experienced.

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Quote: Norweb "yeah, fair enough. it was a bit sycophantic.

after a horrible 18 months with super legend player cum friggin' disaster coach Brad Fittler, as fans you spend a huge amount of time on the forum (ours is called The Wall) setting up your wish list of what type of coach you want to replace the incumbent.

i suppose Maguire just fit the bill in so many ways I'm still in mourning. We would have had Kearney too, but he is less experienced.'"


Great first post Norweb (and superb user name! icon_wink.gif ). The things you have posted are exatly the things that are exciting us Wigan fans about the appointment of MM. As you say, success is never guaranteed, but at least we know this appontment has all the hallmarks of a club looking to 'shake things up'. That is what we have been asking for as fans. Now begins an interesting ride....

I also think the bit in bold from the above post is an interesting take for all those bemoaning his 'lack of head ooach' status.

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I am a first time poster...................................snip'"


Fantastic post buddy if that hasn't raised expectations even further than I don't know what will. Should be playing some good rugby next year and maybe with a new signing or two if todays article on WiganToday is anything to go by.

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