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| Quote post="post"Spot on. Same as you, double jabbed but aint getting the booster. Can't be that bad ifnthe powers that be are having parties whilst we can't have parents round for Christmas dinner. Seems funny the peak day of infections will land on Christmad day, just in time eh? So people will either be scared into getting the booster or not seeing people. Well the Gov and covid and fork right off.
I'm hoping the club don't bring in the vaccine passports, this will all blow over by the seasons start.'"
Whilst I can understand people ignoring rules and citing all these Tory rule breaks as reasons but what logical reason can you give for not getting the booster?
The evidence is right in front of you.
Note - any reference to severity of Omicron is premature. We’ve been told countless times it takes a while for hospital figures and deaths to come through in the numbers.
There are a few people in this thread who are clearly picking and choosing which information they do and don’t want to absorb. Very worrying.
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Quote nathan_rugby="nathan_rugby"Whilst I can understand people ignoring rules and citing all these Tory rule breaks as reasons but what logical reason can you give for not getting the booster?
The evidence is right in front of you.
Note - any reference to severity of Omicron is premature. We’ve been told countless times it takes a while for hospital figures and deaths to come through in the numbers.
There are a few people in this thread who are clearly picking and choosing which information they do and don’t want to absorb. Very worrying.'"
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Quote nathan_rugby="sergeant pepper"Quote nathan_rugby="100% Warrior"My issue here is that a week or so ago the newspapers had headlines like “100,000 could die from Omicron”. There’s been 1 death. Now as sad as that is and I’m not wishing to dumb down the impact that’ll have on all who knew that person, it’s 1 death. There’s 15 hospitalisations from Omicron - how many is there year in year with flu? I almost sound like a conspirator here and trust me that’s not what I am but seriously what are we panicking about? It’s all ‘ifs, coulds, mights’ when the facts are clear; omicron is mild, hasn’t caused a surge in hospitalisations or killed nearly as many as the media scare mongered people into believing it had.'"
Couldn't agree more tbh.'"
The Facts are NOT CLEAR when they are not facts
Quote nathan_rugby="100% Warrior"Quote nathan_rugby="JIMMY MAGNETS"Im currently suffering from covid after being fully vaccinated. Wouldnt wish covid on anyone.Even with being double jabbed i have felt awfull. No taste or smell at all. Was just going to get my booster before i caught it bit now have to wait 28 days. Imo get all jabs offered to you!!'"
I’ve also had COVID and it wasn’t pleasant but neither was actual flu when I had that. In fact I’d argue the flu was far, far worse. I appreciate though that that is subjective. Sincerely hope you feel better soon pal.'"
Maybe you were Lucky, Maybe you are double jabbed - Either way count yourself lucky
Quote nathan_rugby="nathan_rugby"Quote nathan_rugby="100% Warrior"My issue here is that a week or so ago the newspapers had headlines like “100,000 could die from Omicron”. There’s been 1 death. Now as sad as that is and I’m not wishing to dumb down the impact that’ll have on all who knew that person, it’s 1 death. There’s 15 hospitalisations from Omicron - how many is there year in year with flu? I almost sound like a conspirator here and trust me that’s not what I am but seriously what are we panicking about? It’s all ‘ifs, coulds, mights’ when the facts are clear; omicron is mild, hasn’t caused a surge in hospitalisations or killed nearly as many as the media scare mongered people into believing it had.'"
1 death so far is irrelevant. They’ve already said it takes a while for the deaths to show because it takes longer for serious illness to develop and then the unfortunate happen. Same with hospitalisation but to a lesser extent.
You need to educate yourself a bit more.
Will come back to this post in a few weeks and ask if you admit you were wrong.'"
I remember arguing with similar posters 18 months ago when they were talking about the original COVID and they were saying similar things about that back then.
Particularly they were talking about Florida etc. and there not being an issue (IIRC MattyB took them to task in the main) - 10 days later, Hundreds of thousands of cases, and a couple of weeks after that Thousands of deaths - Guess what? They all went silent
(I also remember the same lot arguing that if the Democrats didn't win the Election Antifa & BLM would cause mayhem and insurrection whilst the other way round the Republican/Trump party would accept the results - That worked out well didn't it - But I digress).
Listen to the experts
I hate Boris and this Tory lot with a passion, but don't dismiss the experts and what they're saying just because you may or may not be happy with Boris, The Government or the MSM etc.
Anyone not watched the Richard Dimbleby lecture on BBC1 ?
Come off Facebook, Come off Twitter and take an hour or so to watch this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... ah-gilbert
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-12-07-pr ... by-lecture
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The evidence is right in front of you.
Note - any reference to severity of Omicron is premature. We’ve been told countless times it takes a while for hospital figures and deaths to come through in the numbers.
There are a few people in this thread who are clearly picking and choosing which information they do and don’t want to absorb. Very worrying.'"
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People who decide what they want the answer to be and then making FACTS fit those answers is not the way to go
Quote nathan_rugby="sergeant pepper"Quote nathan_rugby="100% Warrior"My issue here is that a week or so ago the newspapers had headlines like “100,000 could die from Omicron”. There’s been 1 death. Now as sad as that is and I’m not wishing to dumb down the impact that’ll have on all who knew that person, it’s 1 death. There’s 15 hospitalisations from Omicron - how many is there year in year with flu? I almost sound like a conspirator here and trust me that’s not what I am but seriously what are we panicking about? It’s all ‘ifs, coulds, mights’ when the facts are clear; omicron is mild, hasn’t caused a surge in hospitalisations or killed nearly as many as the media scare mongered people into believing it had.'"
Couldn't agree more tbh.'"
The Facts are NOT CLEAR when they are not facts
Quote nathan_rugby="100% Warrior"Quote nathan_rugby="JIMMY MAGNETS"Im currently suffering from covid after being fully vaccinated. Wouldnt wish covid on anyone.Even with being double jabbed i have felt awfull. No taste or smell at all. Was just going to get my booster before i caught it bit now have to wait 28 days. Imo get all jabs offered to you!!'"
I’ve also had COVID and it wasn’t pleasant but neither was actual flu when I had that. In fact I’d argue the flu was far, far worse. I appreciate though that that is subjective. Sincerely hope you feel better soon pal.'"
Maybe you were Lucky, Maybe you are double jabbed - Either way count yourself lucky
Quote nathan_rugby="nathan_rugby"Quote nathan_rugby="100% Warrior"My issue here is that a week or so ago the newspapers had headlines like “100,000 could die from Omicron”. There’s been 1 death. Now as sad as that is and I’m not wishing to dumb down the impact that’ll have on all who knew that person, it’s 1 death. There’s 15 hospitalisations from Omicron - how many is there year in year with flu? I almost sound like a conspirator here and trust me that’s not what I am but seriously what are we panicking about? It’s all ‘ifs, coulds, mights’ when the facts are clear; omicron is mild, hasn’t caused a surge in hospitalisations or killed nearly as many as the media scare mongered people into believing it had.'"
1 death so far is irrelevant. They’ve already said it takes a while for the deaths to show because it takes longer for serious illness to develop and then the unfortunate happen. Same with hospitalisation but to a lesser extent.
You need to educate yourself a bit more.
Will come back to this post in a few weeks and ask if you admit you were wrong.'"
I remember arguing with similar posters 18 months ago when they were talking about the original COVID and they were saying similar things about that back then.
Particularly they were talking about Florida etc. and there not being an issue (IIRC MattyB took them to task in the main) - 10 days later, Hundreds of thousands of cases, and a couple of weeks after that Thousands of deaths - Guess what? They all went silent
(I also remember the same lot arguing that if the Democrats didn't win the Election Antifa & BLM would cause mayhem and insurrection whilst the other way round the Republican/Trump party would accept the results - That worked out well didn't it - But I digress).
Listen to the experts
I hate Boris and this Tory lot with a passion, but don't dismiss the experts and what they're saying just because you may or may not be happy with Boris, The Government or the MSM etc.
Anyone not watched the Richard Dimbleby lecture on BBC1 ?
Come off Facebook, Come off Twitter and take an hour or so to watch this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... ah-gilbert
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-12-07-pr ... by-lecture
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Like Magnets, I’ve not been told anything but have opted for the antibodies test.
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You need to educate yourself a bit more.
Will come back to this post in a few weeks and ask if you admit you were wrong.'"
I’m not too proud to sit back and say I was wrong, I’ve done it many times on here and no doubt many times again.
Where I don’t need to educate myself though is the absolute fact that this is going nowhere. Double jabbed plus booster or not. It will evolve, develop new variants. What do we do? Continue with restrictions for the rest of our lives? I know friends who locked down last year and missed the chance to see their relative one last time who suddenly died. I don’t can’t carry on doing this every few months. The winter always brings an upsurge in hospitalisations through flu, it was in the papers every year so it’s no shock to see an uplift in hospitalisations
We will see.
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Quote Jukesays="Jukesays"100% This
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People who decide what they want the answer to be and then making FACTS fit those answers is not the way to go
The Facts are NOT CLEAR when they are not facts
Maybe you were Lucky, Maybe you are double jabbed - Either way count yourself lucky
I remember arguing with similar posters 18 months ago when they were talking about the original COVID and they were saying similar things about that back then.
Particularly they were talking about Florida etc. and there not being an issue (IIRC MattyB took them to task in the main) - 10 days later, Hundreds of thousands of cases, and a couple of weeks after that Thousands of deaths - Guess what? They all went silent
(I also remember the same lot arguing that if the Democrats didn't win the Election Antifa & BLM would cause mayhem and insurrection whilst the other way round the Republican/Trump party would accept the results - That worked out well didn't it - But I digress).
Listen to the experts
I hate Boris and this Tory lot with a passion, but don't dismiss the experts and what they're saying just because you may or may not be happy with Boris, The Government or the MSM etc.
Anyone not watched the Richard Dimbleby lecture on BBC1 ?
Come off Facebook, Come off Twitter and take an hour or so to watch this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... ah-gilbert
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-12-07-pr ... by-lecture'"
I probably sound like a conspirator- trust me when I say I’m not.
I’ve listened to the experts, whose credentials I will never doubt btw, but again it’s all “ifs, coulds, mights”. No actual solid facts other than Omicron [iappears [/ito be more transmissible and less impactive than Delta. Each new variant is going to become the dominant variant, that’s also fact.
I just don’t understand the continuous need for lockdowns/restrictions when the vaccine was supposed to get us out of it. They’re trying to say get boosted with a vaccine that doesn’t work against COVID but if you’re not double jabbed get double jabbed because it works against COVID. I mean, which is it?
It’s frustrating. Life is too short to be locked down, not allowed to see friends/family (which I know hasn’t been brought in [iyet[/i), not being allowed to enjoy yourself. They told us last time it would be the last time restrictions were implemented knowing full well the chances of another variant were virtually guaranteed. The time to carry on with life came at the ending of the last round of restrictions.
I’ll be honest I hate this type of debate. Like I hated the Brexit one. Happy to leave it there and agree to disagree tbh.
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Quote Jukesays="Jukesays"100% This
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People who decide what they want the answer to be and then making FACTS fit those answers is not the way to go
The Facts are NOT CLEAR when they are not facts
Maybe you were Lucky, Maybe you are double jabbed - Either way count yourself lucky
I remember arguing with similar posters 18 months ago when they were talking about the original COVID and they were saying similar things about that back then.
Particularly they were talking about Florida etc. and there not being an issue (IIRC MattyB took them to task in the main) - 10 days later, Hundreds of thousands of cases, and a couple of weeks after that Thousands of deaths - Guess what? They all went silent
(I also remember the same lot arguing that if the Democrats didn't win the Election Antifa & BLM would cause mayhem and insurrection whilst the other way round the Republican/Trump party would accept the results - That worked out well didn't it - But I digress).
Listen to the experts
I hate Boris and this Tory lot with a passion, but don't dismiss the experts and what they're saying just because you may or may not be happy with Boris, The Government or the MSM etc.
Anyone not watched the Richard Dimbleby lecture on BBC1 ?
Come off Facebook, Come off Twitter and take an hour or so to watch this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... ah-gilbert
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-12-07-pr ... by-lecture'"
I probably sound like a conspirator- trust me when I say I’m not.
I’ve listened to the experts, whose credentials I will never doubt btw, but again it’s all “ifs, coulds, mights”. No actual solid facts other than Omicron [iappears [/ito be more transmissible and less impactive than Delta. Each new variant is going to become the dominant variant, that’s also fact.
I just don’t understand the continuous need for lockdowns/restrictions when the vaccine was supposed to get us out of it. They’re trying to say get boosted with a vaccine that doesn’t work against COVID but if you’re not double jabbed get double jabbed because it works against COVID. I mean, which is it?
It’s frustrating. Life is too short to be locked down, not allowed to see friends/family (which I know hasn’t been brought in [iyet[/i), not being allowed to enjoy yourself. They told us last time it would be the last time restrictions were implemented knowing full well the chances of another variant were virtually guaranteed. The time to carry on with life came at the ending of the last round of restrictions.
I’ll be honest I hate this type of debate. Like I hated the Brexit one. Happy to leave it there and agree to disagree tbh.
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Quote Jukesays="Jukesays"100% This
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People who decide what they want the answer to be and then making FACTS fit those answers is not the way to go
The Facts are NOT CLEAR when they are not facts
Maybe you were Lucky, Maybe you are double jabbed - Either way count yourself lucky
I remember arguing with similar posters 18 months ago when they were talking about the original COVID and they were saying similar things about that back then.
Particularly they were talking about Florida etc. and there not being an issue (IIRC MattyB took them to task in the main) - 10 days later, Hundreds of thousands of cases, and a couple of weeks after that Thousands of deaths - Guess what? They all went silent
(I also remember the same lot arguing that if the Democrats didn't win the Election Antifa & BLM would cause mayhem and insurrection whilst the other way round the Republican/Trump party would accept the results - That worked out well didn't it - But I digress).
Listen to the experts
I hate Boris and this Tory lot with a passion, but don't dismiss the experts and what they're saying just because you may or may not be happy with Boris, The Government or the MSM etc.
Anyone not watched the Richard Dimbleby lecture on BBC1 ?
Come off Facebook, Come off Twitter and take an hour or so to watch this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... ah-gilbert
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-12-07-pr ... by-lecture'"
No, don't listen to the experts or at least not to every word they say.
Medical experts are focused on one thing - protecting the NHS. They have zero care or knowledge about the rest of society i.e the economy, or wider socio/political issues. Likewise the econon experts are saying that lockdown would torpedo the economy - but that's exactly what the medical experts are advising.
I'm double jabbed and had my booster. I've followed the rules (for the most part) and now my Xmas party has been cancelled, my holiday to France in Jan is done in and now they are saying don't go to the football or rugby. What's the point? We'll still be end up being punished, so we might as well crack on.
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Quote Jukesays="Jukesays"100% This
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People who decide what they want the answer to be and then making FACTS fit those answers is not the way to go
The Facts are NOT CLEAR when they are not facts
Maybe you were Lucky, Maybe you are double jabbed - Either way count yourself lucky
I remember arguing with similar posters 18 months ago when they were talking about the original COVID and they were saying similar things about that back then.
Particularly they were talking about Florida etc. and there not being an issue (IIRC MattyB took them to task in the main) - 10 days later, Hundreds of thousands of cases, and a couple of weeks after that Thousands of deaths - Guess what? They all went silent
(I also remember the same lot arguing that if the Democrats didn't win the Election Antifa & BLM would cause mayhem and insurrection whilst the other way round the Republican/Trump party would accept the results - That worked out well didn't it - But I digress).
Listen to the experts
I hate Boris and this Tory lot with a passion, but don't dismiss the experts and what they're saying just because you may or may not be happy with Boris, The Government or the MSM etc.
Anyone not watched the Richard Dimbleby lecture on BBC1 ?
Come off Facebook, Come off Twitter and take an hour or so to watch this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... ah-gilbert
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-12-07-pr ... by-lecture'"
No, don't listen to the experts or at least not to every word they say.
Medical experts are focused on one thing - protecting the NHS. They have zero care or knowledge about the rest of society i.e the economy, or wider socio/political issues. Likewise the econon experts are saying that lockdown would torpedo the economy - but that's exactly what the medical experts are advising.
I'm double jabbed and had my booster. I've followed the rules (for the most part) and now my Xmas party has been cancelled, my holiday to France in Jan is done in and now they are saying don't go to the football or rugby. What's the point? We'll still be end up being punished, so we might as well crack on.
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Vaccine 1 is a bit like having primary school education. It gives you the building blocks in the fight against Covid.
Vaccine 2 compares to secondary school, a slightly more effective shot building on from the first thus giving some extra protection.
Booster shot was like University and is by far the strongest and best vaccine to be very effective against delta (90%+) and reasonably effective against Omicron (70%+).
Will try find said link.
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| Quote sergeant pepper="sergeant pepper"No, don't listen to the experts or at least not to every word they say.
Medical experts are focused on one thing - protecting the NHS. They have zero care or knowledge about the rest of society i.e the economy, or wider socio/political issues. Likewise the econon experts are saying that lockdown would torpedo the economy - but that's exactly what the medical experts are advising.
I'm double jabbed and had my booster. I've followed the rules (for the most part) and now my Xmas party has been cancelled, my holiday to France in Jan is done in and now they are saying don't go to the football or rugby. What's the point? We'll still be end up being punished, so we might as well crack on.'"
I can understand your frustrations, I'm 3 x jabbed and it's possible that things may start to close down after Christmas. I'm booked to go to Egypt on holiday on 17th Jan which is potentially unlikely. But the most important thing is our health, 90% protection against contracting Delta and 70% protection against contracting Omicron are good to decent odds. Even if we contract either the % is even higher against hospitalisation, and then even higher % against even death (which ultimately is the most important thing). I will take those odds.
I can see light at the end of the tunnel, vast majority vaccinated and backed up with these new Pfiezer pills which reduce death and hospitalisation by 90%.
I've told people to treat Covid vaccinations like we do seatbelts. We all wear them cause the science says its safer to do so. Do people still die in crashes having worn a seat belt, unfortunately yes it can happen. But a massive % more do when they don't wear one.
Why risk it?
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I can see light at the end of the tunnel, vast majority vaccinated and backed up with these new Pfiezer pills which reduce death and hospitalisation by 90%.
I've told people to treat Covid vaccinations like we do seatbelts. We all wear them cause the science says its safer to do so. Do people still die in crashes having worn a seat belt, unfortunately yes it can happen. But a massive % more do when they don't wear one.
Why risk it?'"
Genuinely I’d be a liar if I said I didn’t think you had a point - you do. Alongside Jukesays I don’t [imassively [/idisagree. I still think we should just be cracking on though. End restrictions, encourage vaccinations (both double and booster) and get on with life. I’m not for one minute dumbing down how vicious it has been and I sincerely hope I haven’t come across that way. I’m by no means anti vax or anything like that but the time is now to get on with it. Let people live their lives. I also think, much like Brexit was for May, this (alongside him being just a pure belligerent liar and con artist) will see the end of De Pffeffel.
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I can see light at the end of the tunnel, vast majority vaccinated and backed up with these new Pfiezer pills which reduce death and hospitalisation by 90%.
I've told people to treat Covid vaccinations like we do seatbelts. We all wear them cause the science says its safer to do so. Do people still die in crashes having worn a seat belt, unfortunately yes it can happen. But a massive % more do when they don't wear one.
Why risk it?'"
"Edit - just realised you meant why risk it in regards to getting a booster etc.
The last question is an important one and the answer will be different to each person.
I live on my own and the ski holiday which has been cancelled, is realistically my only chance at a holiday this year. It's a lads trip so, no partners etc. I could go away on my own in the summer, but would I really want to? Id happily risk it at the min.
I saw the Welsh Health Expert say something like "I want to see family this Xmas and not go to clubs or sporting events.". That's great for him, but many don't want that. Many,. especially the younger generation, want to meet up with friends instead of family. I'm sure there would be many on here who'd take a game of rugby over a family meal etc.
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The last question is an important one and the answer will be different to each person.
I live on my own and the ski holiday which has been cancelled, is realistically my only chance at a holiday this year. It's a lads trip so, no partners etc. I could go away on my own in the summer, but would I really want to? Id happily risk it at the min.
I saw the Welsh Health Expert say something like "I want to see family this Xmas and not go to clubs or sporting events.". That's great for him, but many don't want that. Many,. especially the younger generation, want to meet up with friends instead of family. I'm sure there would be many on here who'd take a game of rugby over a family meal etc.'"
Ah.. I think I screwed up my response on the last post. When I meant 'why risk it' I meant not having any more jabs after the booster to remain highly protected which was probably aimed at 100% warrior rather than yourself. Sorry about that.
I fully agree that we should get on with life where we can. Like I said in an earlier post, I went to the cinema a couple of days ago and I'm meeting up with some friends tonight. Yes I'm taking a slight risk that could potentially affect Christmas Day plans and a few jobs I have between now and the end of the year (I'm self employed) plus I have a holiday booked mid Jan.
I know I'm taking that risk, I've thought about it. I could just stay in.
But I 'need' some down time with mates and as long as its still legal (we aren't locked down yet) then it's a risk I'm willing to take.
On the brighter side I'm hoping that in 6 weeks things are looking more positive and people can watch the team feeling relatively safe.
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