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Quote: Pie_Eyter "Good on you. Me personally, when i am not paying bills, i like to spend whatever i have left on being entertained and things that i enjoy doing. I won't pay for something that i don't enjoy whether that makes me an armchair supporter, part time fan etc etc i don't really care, it's my money and i work hard for it. I bought a season ticket last season knowing i would be missing lots of games through work but the club made a commitment with big signings so i responded in the best way i could. The club are looking like making dross signings this time around so i will respond in the best way i can again, I.E - Steer clear and watch it on the telly.'"


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Quote: Pie_Eyter "Good on you. Me personally, when i am not paying bills, i like to spend whatever i have left on being entertained and things that i enjoy doing. I won't pay for something that i don't enjoy whether that makes me an armchair supporter, part time fan etc etc i don't really care, it's my money and i work hard for it. I bought a season ticket last season knowing i would be missing lots of games through work but the club made a commitment with big signings so i responded in the best way i could. The club are looking like making dross signings this time around so i will respond in the best way i can again, I.E - Steer clear and watch it on the telly.'"


I agree with you to a certain extent, although I'll probably still go and watch the games.

For me and I know I've posted this before, there's a certain section of the fan base that's taken for granted and opinions aren't bothered with. I fully know that I'm a product of my time and that there's fans older than me who've seen worse and fans younger than me who only know SL. I'm a fan because I grew up in the golden era, my heros are some of the best to have ever played the game. That's the Wigan standard for me and if those standards aren't being met - then I'll ask myself why I bother, when those in charge don't seem to match those ambitions.

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Quote: sergeant pepper "It's also an issue of signing too many players to one year deals.

If you have to keep dipping into the transfer market for key players, then you're eventually going to come unstuck. I don't know any successful side that has run with some many short term deals - especially when you add the coach in there too.'"


Fully agree. The last few seasons have been so messy. I think the covid situation adds to that but it started with the Wane exit and the Edwards debacle and has carried on with the short term deals key players are being signed to. It’s why I’d want French to take up 3 or 4 more years or just part ways and not take the year. We need to get some certainty in the squad IMO.

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Quote: NickyKiss "Fully agree. The last few seasons have been so messy. I think the covid situation adds to that but it started with the Wane exit and the Edwards debacle and has carried on with the short term deals key players are being signed to. It’s why I’d want French to take up 3 or 4 more years or just part ways and not take the year. We need to get some certainty in the squad IMO.'"


I said it last year, but I'd have been more than happy if we hadn't resigned French last year. As entertaining as he is, there's question marks around him plus, the will he/ won't he stay stuff doesn't help.

The money we used on French should have been spent on a prop imo.

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I think he’s a cracking player but we couldn’t afford to have two lads as important as he and Hastings only committing to a year and also missing pre season. That decision has backfired IMO, with French never looking fully fit before his bad injury but also because it felt like we rushed Field out for that first game to cover, after he himself had struggled with injury all pre season and he went down with a shocker of a hamstring issue.

It just feels like we need to start again to me. That tactic of trying to bend over backwards for those lads, to just get a years commitment out of them can’t be repeated. If players want to be here on equal terms to everyone else than great but if not than move on.

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Quote: NickyKiss "I think he’s a cracking player but we couldn’t afford to have two lads as important as he and Hastings only committing to a year and also missing pre season. That decision has backfired IMO, with French never looking fully fit before his bad injury but also because it felt like we rushed Field out for that first game to cover, after he himself had struggled with injury all pre season and he went down with a shocker of a hamstring issue.

It just feels like we need to start again to me. That tactic of trying to bend over backwards for those lads, to just get a years commitment out of them can’t be repeated. If players want to be here on equal terms to everyone else than great but if not than move on.'"


I think he's a hugely entertaining player and seems like a decent lad too. I just don't think he's the superstar that our fans make him out to be.

I'd have happily bent over backwards for Hastings as you know he's the ultimate professional. He came back from his extended break in great shape imo..

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Quote: sergeant pepper "I think he's a hugely entertaining player and seems like a decent lad too. I just don't think he's the superstar that our fans make him out to be.

I'd have happily bent over backwards for Hastings as you know he's the ultimate professional. He came back from his extended break in great shape imo..'"


The problem this side has is that it needs those flashes of individual magic that French brings because other than that, we have very few avenues of scoring try’s. We look totally lost in attack and have done in Lams whole time here, even when we’ve been playing pretty well overall.

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Quote: NickyKiss "The problem this side has is that it needs those flashes of individual magic that French brings because other than that, we have very few avenues of scoring try’s. We look totally lost in attack and have done in Lams whole time here, even when we’ve been playing pretty well overall.'"


Without a shadow of a doubt. Lam is massively to blame for the current situation and adds more proof to what we already know - a good coach can make or break a team.

I do like to think however that, in spite of Lam, we'd still have been in a much stronger situation if we'd have signed a prop instead of resigning French. I keep harping on about it, but the Salford side that Hastings bossed, had a cr@p backline. I'd take guys like Zak, Manfredi, Smith etc over what they had. What set them apart tho, was the good work done by Mossop, Dudson and Jones. Our props our downfall imo and a guy like French is an after thought when you don't have guys to make the yards.

You put French in the Saints, Wire or Hull team and he'd have a field day. You wouldn't however swap him for a Walmsley, Satae or Wire prop imo.

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The prop situation certainly needs urgent attention and Nathan Mason isn’t going to fix it. We need two others IMO and two good ones if we’re to compete at the top end next season. ‘If’ we stepped away from Williams to spend money fixing that problem instead than happy days. If it was just because we couldn’t afford it and will sign a couple of Nathan Masons, than it’s worrying times. (I should point out Mason looks a solid enough 5th/6th prop and could kick on here but he’s not going to turn this on his own).

On another note, I saw quite a bit of the London vs Swinton game today and Abbas Miski played full back. He scored a couple and set a couple up and looked a handful throughout. He could be a handy pick up by the looks of him.

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Quote: NickyKiss "The prop situation certainly needs urgent attention and Nathan Mason isn’t going to fix it. We need two others IMO and two good ones if we’re to compete at the top end next season. ‘If’ we stepped away from Williams to spend money fixing that problem instead than happy days. If it was just because we couldn’t afford it and will sign a couple of Nathan Masons, than it’s worrying times. (I should point out Mason looks a solid enough 5th/6th prop and could kick on here but he’s not going to turn this on his own).

On another note, I saw quite a bit of the London vs Swinton game today and Abbas Miski played full back. He scored a couple and set a couple up and looked a handful throughout. He could be a handy pick up by the looks of him.'"

We are not planning on competing at the top level next season, 2022 has been written off, It's not rocket science

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Quote: The Whiffy Kipper "We are not planning on competing at the top level next season, 2022 has been written off, It's not rocket science'"


how? If you mean by signings then the players signed must be on 12 months otherwise we will be writing off other season also....

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Quote: The Whiffy Kipper "We are not planning on competing at the top level next season, 2022 has been written off, It's not rocket science'"


We can only really judge once we know the final make up of next years squad. A few rabbits will be needed to pulled from somewhere though to have confidence we can compete at the very top.

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Problem with this season is we have no pace to go round anyone, and a pack incapable of going through anyone, back that up with predictable rugby that you can read with your eyes closed, makes for a very uninspiring rest of 2021.

As for next year, unless they manage to work some kind of miracle with recruitment, it will be more of the same.

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Leeds made an offer to Sezer I see. He is ok marquee money and Leeds won’t go that high apparently. I’d like to think we can get involved in that one but there’s certainly no rumours about it at the minute.

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You'd like to think that we'd be looking at a player like Sezer, but who knows? It's pretty grim at the moment, any good news wouldn't hurt

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