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| Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"Not sure I'd agree with you regarding zero pace, Manfredi and Charnley both made good breaks last week, not many can catch Gildart, Gelling, Sarginson or Williams, Bateman and Farrell and rapid for second rowers. Flower is very mobile for a prop. That's nearly half the 17 I'd class as amongst the fastest in SL in their position.[/quo
Gelling and Sarginson????? Don't think either of them have scored tries from any distance while they have been here.
Charnley was fast but his take on Fatty Arbuckle (one for grey heads or slap heads) has slowed him down to a fast trot.
Williams I give you but doesn't use it enough for me.
Manfredi great close to the line but not one for length of the field efforts. A good effort last week but Hardaker still got back to catch him last week despite flapping and letting Manfredi to get past him.
Bateman and Farrell are useful but wouldn't put pace as their main attributes.
Let's see how quick they are tonight when a team lets the ball do the running.
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| Quote Itchy Arsenal="Itchy Arsenal"Gelling and Sarginson????? Don't think either of them have scored tries from any distance while they have been here.
Charnley was fast but his take on Fatty Arbuckle (one for grey heads or slap heads) has slowed him down to a fast trot.
Williams I give you but doesn't use it enough for me.
Manfredi great close to the line but not one for length of the field efforts. A good effort last week but Hardaker still got back to catch him last week despite flapping and letting Manfredi to get past him.
Bateman and Farrell are useful but wouldn't put pace as their main attributes.
Let's see how quick they are tonight when a team lets the ball do the running.'"
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Silverwood's performance will be crucial. The Widnes fans are also critical of him, but several times last season and also this he has not done Wigan any favours - most noticeably, though, when he has been VR. Grand Final (with Bentham) ignoring McGuire's blatant knock on which led to a try and Farrell's disallowed try last week.
It is a fascinating contest - if Wigan's defence is as ruthless as last week, they should win comfortably. If the forwards do not get on top, Kevin Brown, Joe Mellor and Hanbury could wreak havoc and Widnes could have a field day.
Quietly confident the Wigan forwards will prevail and the outside backs will be as effective as they were against Leeds.
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| Quote Itchy Arsenal="Itchy Arsenal"
Manfredi's length of the field effort was hardly a clear run to the line, he brushed off 4 or 5 tackles before Hardaker just about got to him. I bet there aren't too many quicker over 100m
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| Quote Harrison="Harrison"Am I reading this right that if Widnes finish in the top 4/5 you think it will be purely down to luck?[/quo
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You are not reading it right. But maybe I phrased it badly.
I think if Widnes are lucky on the injury front (don't get many injuries to key players) then they have a chance of finishing between 4th and 8th. If they are unlucky and Brown, Mellor or one of the other key playmakers gets an injury then I think Widnes would struggle to get into the top 8 again. Essentially, I do believe Widnes have a very good 19/20 players, but after that, their squad looks thin in comparison to Leeds, Wigan, Warrington etc who can deal with quite a few injuries and simply bring people in who do the job.
For example, imagine the team Widnes would put out if they had their first choice fullback, stand-off, hooker and 3 back row forwards out injured. That would be like losing Hanbury, Brown, White, Houston, Cahill and Leuluai for example.
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| Quote WARRIORCRAIG="WARRIORCRAIG"
Well there aren't many quick wingers knocking about.
Too much weights and helping out the god awful "middles" means fast lean wingers are of a different world let alone era.
I always ask the same question "what the hell would SW do with Offiah?" He couldn't defend particularly well and couldn't drive out of defence but he did score with alarming regulars from all ranges. SW would sooner have Justin Carney a wham beam thank you ma'am in more ways than one.
Finesse is a forgotten word in RL and in SW's world it isn't in the dictionary of playing "tough" rugby.
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| Quote Itchy Arsenal="Itchy Arsenal"
Hardaker only got to him because the other defender chasing back, not sure who it was, also go a hand to him... He had left Hardaker.
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I haven't watched the game again but my recollection at the game was that Hardaker missed him first time but got back at the second attempt. If I'm wrong I stand corrected.
I like Manfredi but I would not class him as pacey a la Joe Burgess or Charnley before he found Twitter
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| Quote Itchy Arsenal="Itchy Arsenal"
True, he kippered Hardaker, and Hardaker only got back to him as he was checked by another defender...
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Manfredi is deceptively quick with his long legs ( Ã la Pat Richards but faster). I have watched back the run which led to the Bateman try and between just after the Wigan 20 metre line and half way he really motors once he has broken through a few tackles. He then slows down as the cover defence comes across. Allied to his huge strength he is really turning into a top winger.
Sarginson (for all his faults) was motoring as well and was at Manfredi's side by the half way line (indeed, Manfredi might well have passed inside to him). All this bodes very well for the coming months as the pitches firm up. If Charnley consistently maintains the pace and enthusiasm he did against Leeds, Wigan will have a back 3 to rank against any in Super League. And Sam is yet to return....
I wonder whether SW would ever countenance playing Sam at 6 (and dare I say it, play George at 7 and Smith as bench 9) or is it nailed on that Sam will return as full back?
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| Quote Itchy Arsenal="Itchy Arsenal"
Well there aren't many quick wingers knocking about.
Too much weights and helping out the god awful "middles" means fast lean wingers are of a different world let alone era.
=#FF0000I always ask the same question "what the hell would SW do with Offiah?" He couldn't defend particularly well and couldn't drive out of defence but he did score with alarming regulars from all ranges. SW would sooner have Justin Carney a wham beam thank you ma'am in more ways than one.
Finesse is a forgotten word in RL and in SW's world it isn't in the dictionary of playing "tough" rugby.
How do you work that one out. How many Offiah type wingers are playing in the game today? Are all the coaches wrong or just Wane?
Didn't Wane select Joe Burgess as his first choice winger last season, and he was more about pace than power!!
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