I just can't wait for the sensible discussion that is undoubtedly incoming...

To second row saint,where did i say its funny that he had to retire,if you were to read my post correctly i said i thought it was funny that talk sport were saying he would be rembered not for his playing career but being knocked out,i have nothing but total respect for all players that cross the white line you need to be very careful what you write.....=#FF0000EDIT - you need to listen to your own advice. If you can't post without personal insults don't bother.!!!!.

I think Saints could never be criticised for the way they handled the situation post GF.

I think Hohaia may now follow his own agenda and Flower may not have heard the last of it.

Bloody hell. I didn't see this coming, I have to say.

Comments like that and similar headlines we are already seeing are deliberately chosen to imply Flower is the cause. They don't actually say it but they imply it and everybody knows that is what is going on. It is ridiculous.

You may as well say Muhammad Ali ended up a basket case because Henry Cooper knocked him the down once.

It's said for Hohaia but at 32 he's been going to have been banged about plenty of times in his career so the clear implication it's Flower's fault is sensationalism.

Seriously? There is a slight difference between taking a shoulder charge ,and being punched in the head whilst lying prone and unconscious on the floor...

Left for work at 4:30 and by the time i got to work At 5:00 am the BBC on Five Live had mentioned Ben Flowers 2 punches on Hohia 3 times . Very poor journalism from the BBC

Regards , EW

The stuff I've seen on the sort of problems Hohaia is facing seem to suggest its all about the cumulative effects of multiple head knocks rather than any single big hit. I saw a documentary which said a minor headknock which causes brain swelling without necessarily any of the symptoms of concussion being followed up by another hit was worse than a knock which obviously causes concussion because they latter aren't generally followed up (players being taken off etc).

In any event this isn't like a single incident can be directly linked to Hohaia's problem.

I've read similar myself. However, this won't stop the inevitable from happen ending on here re Flower.

Really? So you think it's pure coincidence that these concussion-like symptoms are only occurring since the incident?

Anyone else think this is going to be the start of a civil case against Flower for loss of earnings or similar?

i find it odd its somehow taken 12 weeks for him to realise "recurrent post-match concussion-type symptoms" are a bad thing. and somewhat more coincidental saints have just announced the signing of shannon mcdonnel with immediate effect.