No. My old bones are telling me this.

Why include league leaders? All 14 teams are aiming to win the Grand Final, not necessarily finish top. Over the last 10 years Leeds have won 6 Grand Finals and 3 World Club Challenges. In the same period we have won 2 Grand Finals and 2 Challenge Cups and Wire have won 3 Challenge Cups. We have a long way to go to catch up with them IMO, and a big reason they consistantly win trophies is that they keep a settled side together. That's why is crazy to write them off

Is it silver or colored like silver? Does only 1 team get it for accomplishing something? if yes then its a prize and silverware.

also the person said the past few years not the past decade.

also i never wrote anybody off just correcting somebody.

The next time that you decide to dash home from junior school to post on here then please don't bother in future as this post could come back to bite our clubs fans come the seasons end due to your idiotic post, you numpty

If Leeds get their first choice 17 to a final it would be a brave man who bets against them, looks to me like their best squad for a couple of seasons.

Why don't you chill?

You seem very tense. Leeds were nowhere last season and this season will be the same.

first of all I am the numpty who before the q/f of the cup last year predicted we would win the double,look back at my posts.second if I want to post on my clubs fan site I will.#3,not at junior school,i am on my yearly 5 month holiday in Phuket,i don't do the English winters any more.just a quick 9 hour flight from here to watch the Sydney match.not bad from a numpty from the slums of scholes where I did go to junior school.well time to close and go by the pool with a cold one,what are you up to sir?.

All that beer and sunshine must have gone to your head

Yes but a league leaders simply isn't equivalent to a SL trophy and we all know it. Most fans could tell you who won the grand final and Challenge Cup for the past 5years+ off the top of their heads, I bet not many could do the same with the league leaders!

its silverware and fans are still happy when they win it. If anything its so underrated its criminal. with out researching it was wigan twice, warrington, wigan and now huddersfield. there is 3 pieces of silverware up for grabs every season and a 4th to only one team, if anything you shouldn't included world club challenges as its not representative of a team that season.

If every team was going all out to finish as high as possible then I'd agree that the league leaders shield was just as valuable as an SL trophy or a Challenge Cup, but as it stands teams are only bothered about finishing in the top 4, as long as that's safe they will happily rest players and focus all their energy on being ready for the play offs, often at the expense of the latter rounds. This devalues the league leaders shield. As an example I seriously doubt whether Huddersfield would have won the league leaders shield if Wigan, Leeds and Wire had all seen it as important as you do.

There are only two trophies that all 14 sides will push as hard as they can to win every year, that's why they are the true measures of sucess and more valuable than the league leaders shield, which is trivial under the current system. Danny Brough said in pre season that he hopes they don't win the league leaders this year. Do you think any player would ever say that about the SL or the CC?

Last season Leeds put a lot more in to the regular season than they have been doing and us and warrington slacked off. The seasons before that where warrington was only finishing a point behind us or when they won the league leaders i would say both teams was going all out. And to be fair Wigan and Warrington where the only teams in those seasons who could do that, if leeds tried they would of gassed them selves out and probably wouldn't have won the grand finals.

But anyway where did i ever mention the importance of each trophy? Its general knowledge that every season there is 3 pieces of silverware up for grabs and in the past two season we have won as much as warrington and leeds combined. And in the past 3 season we are only 1 piece and silverware shy of both of them put together. not quite sure why you would then turn around and say you shouldn't include the league leaders when its a piece of silverware and if maybe warrington or leeds tried harder they may have won something last season.