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| Quote goobervision="goobervision"Maybe not position but the lead up to the GF playoffs were. Wigan won the league in round 26 and arguably could have won in round 25 to then give the team a two week relaxed buildup to the playoffs.
Oddly this is the exact reason that winning games matters rather than the "meaningless" thread of two weeks ago.'"
Yes, but what was the point of winning the 'league'? You could reasonably argue that we should have said screw the hub cap and made sure our players were fit for the play-offs, which we'd already easily qualified for. |
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| Quote The Magic Rat="The Magic Rat"Isn't the point though that you didn't have to bust a gut to beat HKR or Saints because at that stage you were quaranteed a top 2 finish. Wire eased off later in the season when they still had the opportunity to finish t
op because they know it counts for little.'"
And yet Wire didn't win the Grand Final either. So cleverly saving themselves in the league didn't work out too well. |
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| Quote The Magic Rat="The Magic Rat"Isn't the point though that you didn't have to bust a gut to beat HKR or Saints because at that stage you were quaranteed a top 2 finish. Wire eased off later in the season when they still had the opportunity to finish t
op because they know it counts for little.'"
Wane wanted to win the league. Whether that was the right thing to do or not is a different debate but given that was his stated intention there is only one sensible approach to winning the league when you also have to play-off - get it won as soon as possible. Otherwise you end up in the situation I described. |
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like it Dave O.......win the league as soon as possible if you can then you can rest/rotate or even try out new plays in remaining games that have no meaning ready for the playoffs....
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| Quote pie.warrior="pie.warrior"like it Dave O.......win the league as soon as possible if you can then you can rest/rotate or even try out new plays in remaining games that have no meaning ready for the playoffs....'"
Given there is only one way to win the league, amass more points than anyone else, it seems to me you must try and take every point on offer. If you come across a weak side you still want to ensure victory as you never know when you might needs those points in the bag later on. That was shown by what happened last season IMO with us having to bust a gut at HKR or face Saints to win the league in the last match.
The fact we play-off after the league just makes it even more important you get winning the league over with as soon as you can. Of course this assumes that you have made winning the league a priority which Wane did last year. |
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| Quote goobervision="goobervision"What is the point you are trying to make?
Are you are suggesting playing a fringe player yesterday ahead of a first choice would mean the that the team would be better rested and prepared at the end of the season? Obviously the team would have to raise their performances to support the new fringe player, learn the players ways and maybe be prepared to try and pickup points towards the end of the season that were lost at the start.
You say it doesn't matter if first of fifth, so we have to be good enough to target first or fifth as presumably the rest of the league will be doing? Your very point, would suggest that it does matter and Wigan should target fifth.
Finally as out best won't be playing, do they get paid less while the new players pickup some extra?'"
What? Completely missed the point.
My point does not suggest we shouldn't finish fifth whatsoever, but rest key players when playing weaker opposition. I believe resting key players doesn't mean we can't finish top whatsoever. I believe a team without 1 or 2 stars could beat the likes of Salford, London, Widnes etc.
We need to be fit and fresh and in the right state FOR THE PLAYOFFS. Players playing less games throughout the season will keep them fresher.
There are other advantages squad rotation. |
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"Given there is only one way to win the league, amass more points than anyone else, it seems to me you must try and take every point on offer. If you come across a weak side you still want to ensure victory as you never know when you might needs those points in the bag later on. That was shown by what happened last season IMO with us having to bust a gut at HKR or face Saints to win the league in the last match.
The fact we play-off after the league just makes it even more important you get winning the league over with as soon as you can. Of course this assumes that you have made winning the league a priority which Wane did last year.'"
Not really. You simply have to get into the playoffs and win the playoffs to be SL champs. Winning the league is irrelevant. |
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| Quote adi="adi"Yes, but what was the point of winning the 'league'? You could reasonably argue that we should have said screw the hub cap and made sure our players were fit for the play-offs, which we'd already easily qualified for.'"
Exactly. There are two trophies worth winning throughout a season, the GF and CC. You do what you can to ensure winning.
People who think winning the league is the goal are sadly living in the past, it doesn't mean much sadly. |
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"Not really. You simply have to get into the playoffs and win the playoffs to be SL champs. Winning the league is irrelevant.'"
You didn't read this bit then?
"Of course this assumes that you have made winning the league a priority....". |
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"Exactly. There are two trophies worth winning throughout a season, the GF and CC. You do what you can to ensure winning.
People who think winning the league is the goal are sadly living in the past, it doesn't mean much sadly.'"
Speak to Wane then. You can go on about squad rotation all you want but until the coach buy's into your view of the world you are banging your head against a brick wall.
Of course this ignores the other aspect of this which is that treating the league as you suggest would be commercial suicide.  |
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"Speak to Wane then. You can go on about squad rotation all you want but until the coach buy's into your view of the world you are banging your head against a brick wall.
Of course this ignores the other aspect of this which is that treating the league as you suggest would be commercial suicide.
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This a discussion board, hence we are discussing different thoughts and opinions. If you don't have anything to offer more than 'speak to Wane' don't bother commenting, you could say 'speak to Wane' after nearly every OP. |
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"You didn't read this bit then?
"Of course this assumes that you have made winning the league a priority....".'"
Why would you make winning the league the priority? When to be CHAMPIONS you have to win the GF. |
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