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| Quote The Chin's Back="The Chin's Back"I admire your honesty pal and i totally agree with you on this,but i bet you wouldn't dare stand on the town hall steps in Wigan <if they have one?> and shout that out?
If you did i would envisage a stoning for you just like that scene in the Monty Python film "The Life of Brian"
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My name is Brian,so why am I being brought into this.
If I was doing the stoning OK but if not you are wrong to bring my name up.
As for Wigan having a town hall , I do not really know.
I have spent all my life in an exclusive suburb of Wigan named Atherton.
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| Agree with sinfield being capt and that he and widdop would be my first choice. However again agree not long term and the lack of depth nationally is a worry.
What are your thoughts of Sam moving back to SO, with hardaker at FB.
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| Quote Ferdy="Ferdy"Agree with sinfield being capt and that he and widdop would be my first choice. However again agree not long term and the lack of depth nationally is a worry.
What are your thoughts of Sam moving back to SO, with hardaker at FB.'"
Totally agree with what you suggest,the team would be far more balanced with Hardaker at FB and Sam at HB.
Sam at FB is good,but when he is there and Sinfield is at HB the ball gets turned inside every time. But what I would do is Hardaker FB with Sam at HB ,Lockers at SR and Sinfield at Lf for his kicking game.
I will more than likely get shot down in flames for these suggestions,but a different opinion is my choice to which I am entitled.
NB . Widdop would be my other HB,I think him and Sam could strike up a really good partnership.
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| IMO Sinfield and Tomkins combined well in last season 4N considering they have played together very little. Sinfield has not played 13 for a couple of seasons now so will play in the halves. Tomkins is our most dangerous attacking player and needs to be given as much ball in the right areas as possible. Successive Wigan coaches have thought this is best achieved by playing him at fullback.That is where he will play IMO. Just leaves who will partner Sinfield. Chase has had a poor season with off the field issues but McNamara seems to have invested a bit in him and will probably stick by him. Wrongly IMO.
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| Sinfield and Sam in the halves for me. I think both have sufficiently good rugby brains to strike up a partnership. Let Hardaker deal with kicks, he's exceptionally proficient at this and whilst he's no Sam in broken play he's no slouch either.
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| Quote Clearwing="Clearwing"Sinfield and Sam in the halves for me. I think both have sufficiently good rugby brains to strike up a partnership. Let Hardaker deal with kicks, he's exceptionally proficient at this and whilst he's no Sam in broken play he's no slouch either.'"
the problem with hardaker is every other aspect of his game.
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| Quote the wrestler="the wrestler"the problem with hardaker is every other aspect of his game.'"
Think you are vastly undertaking hardaker who for me is a brilliant player. His only real weakness is his pass sometimes,
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| Quote Ferdy="Ferdy"Think you are vastly undertaking hardaker who for me is a brilliant player. His only real weakness is his pass sometimes,'"
"UNDERTAKING",is he doing a bit of moonlighting on the side. 
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| Quote Ferdy="Ferdy"Think you are vastly undertaking hardaker who for me is a brilliant player. His only real weakness is his pass sometimes,'"
possibly true, but from what ive seen he fails to chime into the line as a fullback and rarely poses a threat unless hes returning the ball from a kick. but his broken field running is admittedly impressive. i think i put alot of weight on the line chiming being a wigan fan. but that can be remedied with time/pre season training.
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| Quote stillinthepast="stillinthepast"exclusive suburb of Wigan named Atherton.'"
The only exclusive thing about Atherton is the probation office
I think Sinfield and Tomkins would be a great partnership, but i also think Sam would be more effective at scrum half rather than stand off.
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| Quote the wrestler="the wrestler"possibly true, but from what ive seen he fails to chime into the line as a fullback and rarely poses a threat unless hes returning the ball from a kick. but his broken field running is admittedly impressive. i think i put alot of weight on the line chiming being a wigan fan. but that can be remedied with time/pre season training.'"
I think that might be the nail on the head. Hardaker does join the line well in attack, but he isn't the attacking threat that Sam Tomkins is, wherever you put him.
My worry with putting Sam Tomkinsd back at 6 is that while he'd no doubt be effective there, he is going to be a little easier to mark and predict standing at first or second receiver than he is floating behind the attacking line and choosing his moments to appear. He'd still be a threat, but I think it'd blunt him a bit. It's a pity as I think Hardaker is fast becoming an exceptional player (look at where he was 14 months ago, and is now only not England's best full back because he has England's best player in front of him in that position) but at the moment our attacking threat, of necessity, must be built around getting the ball into Tomkins' hands in the areas he can do most damage. He'd get more ball at 6, but I still think he's a bigger threat from full back.
I think what worries me most about this thread is Leeds and Wigan fans saying nice things about each others' players. If this carries on we might end up with people actually putting aside partisan loyalties and getting behind the national team. A disturbing thought.
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| I would hope that it wouldn’t be beyond us to structure the team to include both.
I can understand that moving Tomkins forward would blunt that part of his game, but surely it wouldn’t be two difficult to put in place some sets and set plays where Hardaker moved forward and Tomkins stepped back and played as the extra man chiming into the line.
We can get a bit hung up on numbers on backs in this country, Imagine defending against Burrow, Roby and Sinfield, with Hardaker and Tomkins offering options.
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