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Quote: Smurf "Because of a newspaper article highlighting what most people already know (ie the usual scenario of the English game following the NRL- in this case clamping down on tactics employed by the Melbourne coaches) that means that there is a conspiracy to get at Wigan?

It isn't just this thread, but such a level of hysteria is embarrassing.'"


The article is about Wigan. Stop ducking and diving.

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Quote: Cruncher "The article is about Wigan. Stop ducking and diving.'"


Ducking and diving? I don't understand what you are getting at.

But, I've got a game to watch. I'll leave you to sit in paranoia about how everyone in rugby league is conspiring against Wigan (with thoughts like 'worst enemy Wigan have in the Rugby League press, and that's saying something').

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Quote: Smurf "Ducking and diving? I don't understand what you are getting at.

But, I've got a game to watch. I'll leave you to sit in paranoia ]about how everyone in rugby league is conspiring against Wigan (with thoughts like 'worst enemy Wigan have in the Rugby League press, and that's saying something').
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If you think Wilson's hints about Wigan in this article are reasonable or fair, then there's something wrong with you.

You don't need to be paranoid to be annoyed by this.

There are bigger issues to discuss in RL this weekend, but Andy Wilson prefers to highlight this unprovable pile of crap.

However, as I said before - it's not worth getting het up about. I too prefer to see my team do their talking on the field, and will now leave this thread alone.

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If I was a journo i'd be embarressed to have this published in my name.

What exactly is he getting excited about?

Wigan have a tip-sheet saying they are going to be very aggressive and hunt like a pack of dogs????? Talk about trying to add to the already pathetic witch hunt of wigan's 'tackling technique'. Is it the fact that something was written down - and has possibly been edited to add spice - does that make it a heinous crime rather than a rousing team talk??

What game does Andy Wilson think we are playing??????????

Every coach/captain in SL will be saying exactly the same thing that's in that sheet. You don't have to be a lip reader to know what Graham was saying at the end of the Saints - Wigan game yesterday for example. I'm pretty sure it wasn't.

'next time we play those gentlemen from wigan remember that try and make sure when you next tackle them place them gently on the floor and bring some cushions to put down before they hit the ground'

Wigan should tell Andy Wilson where to go next tme he wants to report on one of our home games.

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Why can we never match the Australians?

Well one of the reasons is as English we are often too soft and no where near as competitive enough. To say that "In defence hunt like a pack of wild animals" is unacceptable and amounts to us setting out to injure players is tenuous and yellow to say the least.

What's disappointing at the moment is some of the main journalists in our sport feel they have to publish negative articles in order to get column inches - as Dave Woods freely admitted this week

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I had a debate with a St.Helen's journalist on twitter last night because he read this story he seem s to think that wrestling has only just been introduced into the game the last few seasons and it slows the game down and he also said it was dangerous

So i said to him it might be dangerous if not performed correctly i also said that wrestling coaches have been at every club for more than 10 yrs , And if it slows the PTB down that much how come wigan was the highest point scorers last season which he never replied again

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Quote: shooter69 "I had a debate with a St.Helen's journalist on twitter last night because he read this story he seem s to think that wrestling has only just been introduced into the game the last few seasons and it slows the game down and he also said it was dangerous

So i said to him it might be dangerous if not performed correctly i also said that wrestling coaches have been at every club for more than 10 yrs , And if it slows the PTB down that much how come wigan was the highest point scorers last season which he never replied again'"



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Quote: Cruncher "More pathetic poop-stirring from the worst enemy Wigan have in the Rugby League press (and that's saying something).'"


Give over. I worked alongside Andy Wilson in the press box for two years straight and I can assure you that - with the possible exception of Bill Arthur (who lives and breathes the club) - there is no bigger fan of Wigan working among the RL press. I remember standing in the elevator with him after Wigan's CCF loss at the Millennium and the guy was practically weeping.

We can debate the validity of the article forever, but don't try to convince me Wilson has an anti-Wigan agenda. If he does we might as well say every journo has it in for the club.

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What a load of rubbish. If a player had suffered injury due to our tackling technique he may have a very slight point but as far as i know no player has ever been injured nor have our players ever gone out to deliberately injure a player.

What the hell has this game come to when aggressive defence is frowned upon!

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Its amazing that a Wigan title win is the result of cheating and using dubious tactics aimed at injuring players. For a number of seasons Wigan have been too easily bullied by bigger more aggresive packs, it still happens this year the Wire and Catalans game are perfect examples. On form the Wigan pack are a match for anyone due to their workrate and willigness to help each other.

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its the line about John Kear being the "grand old man of British coaching" that tickled me. Now I know that Andy was having a laugh

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What is sad about the article is if Wilson or his editor want a negative story about RL involving tackling techniques and how the RFL view them and punish Wigan (well Lima...) there is a better one to be written. And that is, does the evidence show that the RFL are unduly influenced by outburst from the likes of Kear and other coaches and are these outbursts justified?

Are chicken wing tackles going unpunished when other teams do them? Did he miss the fact IL said he would not appeal Lima's first ban because he felt the "ban - appeal - ban reduced" merry go round he saw in 2010 was expected to have been done away with in 2011? Then a few weeks later Wigan appeal Joel's ban which IMO given it followed on from IL's previous comment, was a resounding vote of no confidence in the system as much as anything.

The amount of negative comment that goes on at the moment from sub-standard coaches like Kear and Agar ought to see them done for bringing the game into disrepute. Even if they were right the press is the wrong place to air these views. Unless of course they feel it is an effective way to gain an advantage which if so, says a lot about the limp wristed people in charge at the RFL.

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This is pathetic. What are we complaining about here -

1 - Wrestling? Last year Wigan's strength was for 2 men to hold the tackler for a few seconds and then take him to the floor, giving our defence time to set. A 3rd man might or might not get involved, usually taking the legs. Those 2 or 3 men then peel off one at a time, taking up more time. For me, good discipline and a well drilled team, certainly not illegal. Less knowledgeable people were calling it 'lying on'. And it's certainly not just Wigan, but Wigan did it the best.

2 - Attacking the joints? I'll admit I've spotted one or two holding ankles or wrists, but not for a while, and it's not just Wigan - and how much damage can that really do? Is there any evidence of anything worse and has anyone actually been injured? Is it worse than elbows in the face or hands on the back of the neck on the floor, or other tricks we all know go on in the tackle? Probably not.

3 - Aggression in defence? Shouldn't we be applauding a team that's motivated and fit enough to maintain a high level of disciplined aggression for 80 minutes? God knows we'll need that against the Aussies.

It's up to the rest to figure out how to counteract successful tactics - oh hang on, they've done that by crying to the wet RFL and getting the goalposts shifted. Well done.

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Storm in a teacup, this story. Must have been a quiet day on the RL news desk.

ATEOTD defence wins matches, John Monie said it and if it's good enough for him that'll suit me.

Think we need to get some more of last seasons aggression back into our defence as our points difference is some way back from the Wire.

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