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Quote: Fishsta "Can you explain why you have a different opinion to most people?

I didn't see the ball change direction, it seemed to me Richards PLANNED to miss the ball. Otherwise he wouldn't have had his arms so wide apart.'"


The ball is coming down end first, it did all the way from the top of its flight. Richards went up for it and it grazed his arm at roughly the elbow/right forearm, it is only a slight contact, but the ball goes from being point down at that point to turn in the air and ends up landing on its side.

I think you are giving PR way too much credit to say he planned to miss it. Watch the flight of the ball, it is direct until it passes though his arms at which point it changes in flight.

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Quote: Fishsta "Can you explain why you have a different opinion to most people?

I didn't see the ball change direction, it seemed to me Richards PLANNED to miss the ball. Otherwise he wouldn't have had his arms so wide apart.'"


He Planned to miss it! Do you honestly actually believe anything that you write? Surely you cant.

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Quote: jonh "The ball is coming down end first, it did all the way from the top of its flight. Richards went up for it and it grazed his arm at roughly the elbow/right forearm, it is only a slight contact, but the ball goes from being point down at that point to turn in the air and ends up landing on its side.

I think you are giving PR way too much credit to say he planned to miss it. Watch the flight of the ball, it is direct until it passes though his arms at which point it changes in flight.'"


The ball already has a spin on it as it is coming down and continues that cycle until it hits the deck, Richards didnt touch it, the much more qualified officials took plenty of time and made the correct call.

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Quote: Babyface Finlayson "The ball already has a spin on it as it is coming down and continues that cycle until it hits the deck, Richards didnt touch it, the much more qualified officials took plenty of time and made the correct call.'"


I disagree.

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Quote: jonh "I disagree.'"


Fair enough mate it doesn't matter any more anyway, im just looking forward to a fit Fecka and a structured attack next year icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Babyface Finlayson "Fair enough mate it doesn't matter any more anyway, im just looking forward to a fit Fecka and a structured attack next year
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[color=#FF4000:3htgpm5r][quote:3htgpm5r]I read that Leeds-Bradford is an airport and that Wigan-St Helens is a rivalry. It's one I can't wait for[/quote:3htgpm5r] Ryan Hoffman [quote:3htgpm5r]After all, rugby league has a history of ideas that appear madcap at first but are taken up elsewhere, usually by rugby union[/quote:3htgpm5r] Christopher Irvine - The Times [quote:3htgpm5r] Wire fans, like Leeds fans, are fickle as feck, and mostly glory supporters. [/quote:3htgpm5r] Sherbert Dip - Leeds Fan [quote:3htgpm5r]I will never forget that atmosphere at Knowsley Road on Good Friday when the final hooter sounded. On behalf of all the fellas thank you so much for being the greatest fans in the world.[/quote:3htgpm5r] Phil Bailey[/color:3htgpm5r]:



Quote: Fishsta "
I didn't see the ball change direction, it seemed to me Richards PLANNED to miss the ball. Otherwise he wouldn't have had his arms so wide apart.'"


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So this was some elaborate move where jumpers pretend to jump for the ball and miss it, hence fooling everybody and allowing George to run in and collect the ball, that always bounces very uniformly, and is 100% predictable, so score under the sticks.

Absolute rubbish, He missed the ball, thats it. It was a poor attempt at a catch, and we where lucky he didn't touch it otherwise he wouldn't have scored. I think jonh has a point though, I think he most likely did touch the ball, but it didn't look like it on the screen.

Longs try was 50/50, but so was meli's that was ruled out from my first viewing (haven't got that far into the game 2nd time round, so haven't seen it) so we got one of the 2 50/50's.

Saying that I thought Saints where very lucky to win, I think we lost it more than they won. Carmont catches that offload by Joel (who I though played well tonight) and Pat most likely scores. Add that to Roberts being denied by some absolutly sublime scrambling defense, and then add that flick pass by Sam that, had Tommy, Phelps or Feka (I think) been able to pick up that would have also been a try.

I don't recall many unlucky Saints denied efforts tonight, I think we had the edge, but not the patience (story of this season anyone?)

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Quote: JLM23 "He Planned to miss it! Do you honestly actually believe anything that you write? Surely you cant.'"


Like I said, his arms were quite wide apart, much wider than someone who has the intention of catching and securing a ball.

It was just a thought that occurred to me, and it's not beyond the realms of possibility. I don't claim to see into Richards' mind, but it struck me that it's a [ipossible[/i tactic. Miss the ball, let it bounce, decrease the chance of the opposition taking it and launching a counter-attack.

It's a feasible tactic, the same as kicking high near to the touchline, in the hope your opposite will catch the ball, and you'll hit them with the tackle straight into touch.

But as to whether that's what was intended, who knows? Richards' and/or his team-mates, that's about it.


Quote: JLM23 "Absolute rubbish, He missed the ball, thats it. It was a poor attempt at a catch, and we where lucky he didn't touch it otherwise he wouldn't have scored. I think jonh has a point though, I think he most likely did touch the ball, but it didn't look like it on the screen.'"


He may well have missed the ball, but I think you have to accept there's a possibility it [icould[/i be a utilised tactic. The thing to remember is, if it didn't look like it was touched to the Video Ref (who has Full HD coverage to look at) then benefit of the doubt has to be ruled. Since the video ref didn't press the "BOTD" button, he must have been sure. (The same goes for Long's try, which I was amazed didn't have those 4 words tagged on)

Quote: JLM23 "Longs try was 50/50, but so was meli's that was ruled out from my first viewing (haven't got that far into the game 2nd time round, so haven't seen it) so we got one of the 2 50/50's.'"


Trust me, there was no 50/50 in Meli's no-try. It took the video ref a while to spot his foot, though.

Quote: JLM23 "Saying that I thought Saints where very lucky to win, I think we lost it more than they won. Carmont catches that offload by Joel (who I though played well tonight) and Pat most likely scores. Add that to Roberts being denied by some absolutly sublime scrambling defense, and then add that flick pass by Sam that, had Tommy, Phelps or Feka (I think) been able to pick up that would have also been a try.

I don't recall many unlucky Saints denied efforts tonight, I think we had the edge, but not the patience (story of this season anyone?)'"


Yes, we did have a lot of missed opportunities tonight, we played a lot better than them for most of the match, and with the momentum at the end, if it hadn't been for the lack of penalty forthcoming on the Long-Tomkins incident, I think we would have scored and forced Golden Point time. We could have seen a new world record for longest drop goal with that wind and Richards kicking it!

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Quote: Fishsta "Like I said, his arms were quite wide apart, much wider than someone who has the intention of catching and securing a ball.

It was just a thought that occurred to me, and it's not beyond the realms of possibility. I don't claim to see into Richards' mind, but it struck me that it's a [ipossible[/i tactic. Miss the ball, let it bounce, decrease the chance of the opposition taking it and launching a counter-attack.

It's a feasible tactic, the same as kicking high near to the touchline, in the hope your opposite will catch the ball, and you'll hit them with the tackle straight into touch.

But as to whether that's what was intended, who knows? Richards' and/or his team-mates, that's about it.




See above.



He may well have missed the ball, but I think you have to accept there's a possibility it [icould[/i be a utilised tactic. The thing to remember is, if it didn't look like it was touched to the Video Ref (who has Full HD coverage to look at) then benefit of the doubt has to be ruled. Since the video ref didn't press the "BOTD" button, he must have been sure. (The same goes for Long's try, which I was amazed didn't have those 4 words tagged on)



Trust me, there was no 50/50 in Meli's no-try. It took the video ref a while to spot his foot, though.



Yes, we did have a lot of missed opportunities tonight, we played a lot better than them for most of the match, and with the momentum at the end, if it hadn't been for the lack of penalty forthcoming on the Long-Tomkins incident, I think we would have scored and forced Golden Point time. We could have seen a new world record for longest drop goal with that wind and Richards kicking it!'"


To claim a miss catch, a basic dummy off a high ball i think is personally wrong and goes against everything you are ever coached.

Meli was a mile in touch for his disallowed try, his white boot was clearly in touch.

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Quote: Babyface Finlayson "The ball already has a spin on it as it is coming down and continues that cycle until it hits the deck, Richards didnt touch it, the much more qualified officials took plenty of time and made the correct call.'"


Fully agree and seen it in HD to boot.

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Quote: diesel "Fully agree and seen it in HD to boot.'"


Is HD worth buying ?

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Only if you've got Sports AND Movies, in terms of value for money.

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Quote: moonlight flit "Is HD worth buying ?'"

Depends I got it cheap...but until more channels are in HD I'd wait but it's good.

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Quote: moonlight flit "Is HD worth buying ?'"

Yes, if only for the rugby. Great for sports, movies and the odd nature programme. Planet Earth was excellent.

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Great game yesterday. As a neutral Richards [imight[/i have knocked-on, but there was no evidence he did from the replays. The Fa'asavalu attempted offload that was called as a strip was a poor decision and a real turning point. Long's try was fine though. All IMO, of course.

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