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Quote: Rogues Gallery "It's at games like tonight when all the Phil Bailey knockers should hide. He was missed beyond belief tonight.'"


Yep. Needs to be brought straight back in at centre.

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If Tomkins is half as good as I'm lead to believe he is surely it's time to show some faith in him. McGuire and Burrow were both playingfirst team when they were 18. That Ainscough also looks a real prospect, how the hell is Phelps before him in the pecking order?

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Quote: AJ "Yep. Needs to be brought straight back in at centre.'"


We could have Hock missing next week so depends on his injury, could mean Bailey going back in the 2nd row but otherwise I'd agree.

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Tommy did nothing tonight other than score the try. Smith was the only player trying to organse the wigan team. Next week has got to see Tommy dropped from half back to hooker.

I even thought mcillorium was better than riddell tonight.

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Smith's defense is the weak link. It's shocking.

He took up the centre's position in defence with Goulding moving inside, they rinsed us down that side tonight.

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Quote: - Neil - "Personally I am not bothered if he cannot defend - most half backs are sh*t defensively. Briers, Long, Lockyer the list is endless'"


Long's defence is very good for a scrum half.

Comparing Long's defence to Smith is like comparing Gidley to Phelps. Smith might just be the most overrated player I've ever seen.

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I'm sick to death of reading posts off different fans saying about the pressure on Sam Tomkins being brought into the side. How the hell will we know how he will react until he gets a chance? He's played in a couple of friendlies and the odd cup game and fair enough these weren't against full strength super league sides but he stood up and proved worthy of a selection. I sometimes (more and more as the weeks go on!) dont understand Noble's selection. When I heard Riddell was 50/50 to play against Cas I was convinced that S Tomkins would make the 19 man squad at least even if he didn't make the final team selection. The poor lad must be so dis heartened to play out of his skin for the academy each week, a class above his team mates, to play so so well in the friendlies/cup games for the first team and still hasn't had a CHANCE to shine in Super League. I'm not stupid, I know one man doesn't make a team but we need some ideas, a decent kicking game and something different - Tomkins can provide all of that... let's face it... Tomkins could have the worst game of his life and he still wouldnt be as clueless as Tim Smith was last night (I actually think Smith had an okay game at Hull!!!)

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You lot will destroy this kid before he even gets a chance to show his worth.

A real tragedy.

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Quote: Mugwump "You lot will destroy this kid before he even gets a chance to show his worth.

A real tragedy.'"


This "young player crushed by weight of fans' expectation" theory is just rubbish.

(1) I'm sure he can handle the pressure
(2) In case you haven't noticed, Wigan fans' expectations aren't that high at the moment and are falling every week.

The majority of us simply think he may be a better option and we want to see him get some game time.

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Trent Barrett was such a hard tackler and did a great job in defence think it went unnoticed due to his great play making ability. We are sorely missing him this year, if he was playing last night we wouldn't have lost.

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Quote: FearTheVee "Long's defence is very good for a scrum half.

Comparing Long's defence to Smith is like comparing Gidley to Phelps. Smith might just be the most overrated player I've ever seen.'"

I don't agree, Long's defence is and always has been poor, but he more than makes up for it in other areas. Smith's is worse and so far he doesn't.

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Quote: TrentBarrett "Trent Barrett was such a hard tackler and did a great job in defence think it went unnoticed due to his great play making ability. We are sorely missing him this year, if he was playing last night we wouldn't have lost.'"


I don't know about the last bit but I totally agree about Trent's defence

He was arguably the best half back defender in super league

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Quote: phibes "This "young player crushed by weight of fans' expectation" theory is just rubbish.'"


Promising young players are crushed by such on a yearly basis. The two most recent cases being Tommy Lee & Scott Moore.

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Quote: Meyt N Prater Pie "Tim Smith is one of the most disapointing players ever to hit these shores. He absolutely stunk tonight. Horrendous performance. will noble drop him? will he hell! and thats the reason we need a new coach'"


He's a scrum hlaf, lets judge him after he's had a run there shall we. Smith at 7 and Tomkins at 6 is the way forward.

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